1978 Topps Gem Mint 10 Pete Rose .... UGLY !!!!
softparade
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man, talk about BAD looking PSA 10's, this card looks diamond cut to me. I WOULD NOT even submit this card if I pulled it
Where is the BARFING emotion ???
BARF
Where is the BARFING emotion ???
BARF
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
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Really, friendly seller or not, that is no PSA 10 .... or 9 for that matter.
Lucky him for garnishing that grade I might add! I mean no ill feelings towards the seller
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
There are about 52 zillion PSA 9's of this card out there - just about everyone who would want a nice copy of it already has one. I seem to recall a PSA 10 example selling for around $700 last year, but I bet this one doesn't go for half that. And, only then because someone wants it for their registry set.
Been busy lately and haven't even bought any heritage in a week!!!!
I'll stack up my Rose against that one any day!
What'ya think? PS: that's a hair in the scan on the bottom right.
your friend
mike
sweet rose. why is it not in a holder?
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Loves me some shiny!
The centering on your Rose is certainly without a doubt better than the "10". It is hard to tell from your scan, if the top and bottom left corners are touched.
thats funny ... the scan here looks much sharper to me than the other place I saw it. That tilt I see on that scan is not as noticeable here, just barely noticeable. Geez along with that Dawson and Winfield I remember you showing me, you have some 78 GEMS
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
As I'm sure you're aware by now, that cut on the left edge (on the "10") is common to '78 vending. As long as the corner remains untouched you're typically home free in terms of 10 standards. The card is, indeed, a coaster. The 78 Rose is triple printed and among the easiest sportscards from the 70's to find very nice as well. I, too, would not have even submitted--or even pulled-- that copy from my 5000 counts.
The PSA 10 has become downright humerous. There are certainly tremendous examples in PSA 10 holders, but those are becoming the exception rather than the rule. As I was trying to complete my 77 set I sent in a handful of cards just looking for 8's to finish. One was a tilted Twitchell with a corner touch and two others that were equally unappealing...voila! 1 graded 9 and two 10's! I was shocked. Absolutely shocked to my core. It was beyond reason. These cards were "soft" 8's, I felt. True enough, "buy the card and not the holder", but if that's the case, why not buy Mikes and say "no, thank you" to PSA. We're all morons.
On a side-note, I have a stack of 78's sorted and they're ready for sale. They will probably not go to eBay, but if you'd like a short list (about 40 psa 9's) just email me. I wouldn't want the new order of "Spam Police" to start another thread hijack. I hate wasting their valuable time, with all of the collecting lives they have to save and all.
dgf
<< <i>soft,
As I'm sure you're aware by now, that cut on the left edge (on the "10") is common to '78 vending. As long as the corner remains untouched you're typically home free in terms of 10 standards. The card is, indeed, a coaster. The 78 Rose is triple printed and among the easiest sportscards from the 70's to find very nice as well.
dgf >>
I did not know of any triple prints from this set. Thanks for the info, and no wonder I have had no problem pulling Rose (just not a great example yet)
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
<< <i>I would say %75 of the market collects the holder, not the card. >>
I would unfortunately agree with that. It's no wonder I am so cynical about some of this (not all, though).
<< <i>Hi Dan
Been busy lately and haven't even bought any heritage in a week!!!!
I'll stack up my Rose against that one any day!
What'ya think? PS: that's a hair in the scan on the bottom right.
your friend
mike >>
Mike,
Your card does have some print dots or so it appears. It does look very nice!
Dave
I guess this means you can cancel your appointment with your optometrist. OF COURSE it has print dots...thanks for pointing them out though. You must be the Tim McCarver of card grading. Favorite Tim McCarver line...
"...now you see here (he's using a telestrator drawing white squiggly lines), this is the yellow line on top of the outfield fence. This is to mark a ball that should be scored a homeun. When the ball goes over this fence--that's a homerun. Clearly, that ball went over not only the LINE, but the fence that the line was painted on...that's got to be homeun."
Thanks for the expert analysis, Tim.
...and thank you Davino.
dgf
I feel your pain.
dgf
<< <i>cards like that 78 psa 10 rose is the main reason i gave up doing my graded set from 78. >>
and why you all might see a huge lot of 78 PSA 9's on ebay soon
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
I just want to throw a theory out here and see what you think. I know there have been a lot of PSA 10's
lately that make you think that somebodies got to be blind, and I think this 78 Rose would fit that category.
This is something I noticed in a few of my submissions. When submitting multilple cards of the same player,
PSA "sometimes" holders the wrong card in the wrong holder. Its happened to me several times, now if you
have this happen when big submitters submit dozens of the same card at the same time this mistake has to
be even more magnified. As an example I had two 1972 Topps Maury Wills In Action cards, one was graded
"Miscut" and not holdered and the other was graded PSA 8 OC. The miscut card clearly is in the PSA 8 OC holder and the not holdered card is clearly not "Miscut". I'll post pictures later tonight.
What if the 78 Rose PSA 10 in question was really supposed to go in a PSA 8 holder, but it got flip flopped
and there is a PSA 10 Rose in a PSA 8 holder. The submitter wins twice because they crack the PSA 8 holder
and resubmit. Just an alternative thing to think about.
Scott J.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
<< <i>The '78 Rose PSA 10 looks great to me. I certainly would welcome that card to my set registry! Certainly fits within the parameters for a grade of Gem Mint 10.
This has nothing to do with my opinion of PSA. I like PSA, and will continue to do so. BUT, if you would "welcome" this PSA 10 Rose into your registry then I have about 600 (no kidding) raw cards that fit that bill. Will you pay a premium for these raw cards? If so let me know, I would love to help you out!
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
If you have some PSA 10s that are below your standards and you want to get rid of them, by all means, please let me take them off your hands.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
Nuff said and I am done debating this card
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Is it possible that this holder was opened and cards were switched? I dont see any cracks on the scan but the scan isnt too good either. Person has a good rating but may have bought the card in good faith and now reselling. Or, maybe this person is a scammer and just has continued to get away with card switching? And who knows, maybe in the eyes (maybe even crossed eyes) of the grader, it fits the bill to receive a Gem Mint 10. I know I would be selling this one ASAP if I received that grade on this card.
Not saying that this card doesnt deserve the grade...but doesnt look quite THAT good from this standpoint.
This, of course is just my opinion.
dabighurt - please dont talk with your mouth full.
It IS possible that the old switcheroo was pulled. Of course it's also likely that there'll be a supermodel lying next to me tomorrow morning that can throw me batting practice, that has a double-jointed twin sister nymphomaniac and neither of them likes wearing panties. That said, if you're eluding to WIWAG (I think you are)...get over it!!!! Again, GET OVER IT!!!!!! That was a unique circumstance perpetrated by a couple of deviants. Is it possible that it could happen again? Of course. As long as there is scum anything is possible. This is just a PSA grader overgrading a fairly nice card PSA 10. That's all there is to it. Stop this nonsense about card-switching. You're only entitled to your opinion as long as you agree with frazier. What else you got?
dgf
Now that I know you're just having fun with everyone (no one can be as stupid as you sound) I am starting to really enjoy your perspective. It's a parody of the collector mentality that currently exists. Well done...unless, of course, you really are that stupid in which case get some help.
dgf
<< <i><< cards like that 78 psa 10 rose is the main reason i gave up doing my graded set from 78. >> >>
this is one othe things that makes no sense to me. sure there is tons of overgraded crap out there , tons of undergraded crap but what does seeing an overgraded card have to do with the set that you are collecting for yourself? if I was collecting this set , I would look at that card and say , not for me , let it go feed someone elses ego. one of the main issues that I have with complaining is that people forget to look at it from the perspective of their own set , they look it at the perspective of having the highest gpa set. why can't a collector take the approach that dgf does and build the best set of cards , not the best set of holders? when a crappy card comes along in a great holder , get over it and move on. I do it all the time. i look at a card in the grade I am collecting and if the "card" does not meet my criteria , I move on. when I see an overgraded piece of crap , it has no bearing on the future of the set that I am collecting.
ENJOY YOUR CARDS!
I wasnt referring to WIGWAG at all....in fact, I have never even discussed it on these boards. I was only tossing a theory that it could be done. I have NO idea where you thought I was even at all referring to WIGWAG. The WIGWAG issue did not affect me personally so I really dont give a F* about it. Why is it that a switched card HAS to be related to WIGWAG? Open your mind, stoner dude.
The card is centered about 45 / 55 left to right at the top
and about 55 / 45 left to right at the bottom, so it fits well within the guidelines for a PSA 10.
When PSA originally set up their standards, diamond cuts, or tilts, were not addressed.
They should have been, but with 8 million cards already in slabs, it's a little late in the game to change the rules.
I find diamond cuts, along with poor registration,
to be among the worst flaws a card can posess, but they may not bother the sharp corner freaks as much.
It technically qualifies as a 10, but I'd pass on it and wait for a better example to come along.
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
DP
switched card???? At least of giving you the credit for relating this to a prior event. I, apparently, was too generous. The thought that someone switched that card is completely absurd. You would have been more in line with something like...
"Perhaps aliens crapped it out of their mother ship."...how open-minded is THAT! No hard feelings. Of course, the player you so admire was also a drug addict, so beware of derisive labels such as "stoner dude". I actually get into quite a few scrapes around here. It usually begins with me calling a guy on an unenlightened and/or potentially hazardous viewpoint on the hobby. I mean no harm and hold no grudge. Heck, I even like DaBigHurt! Time for a hug...
dgf
P.S. Wolfbear, the card sucks and would have likely graded PSA NM/MT 8 just three years ago. Turds like that CAN'T or certainly SHOULDN'T ever be your poster-child for a 10.
This plastic isnt fully melded together. I often have wondered if a bit of heat and ultrasound could shake that plastic loose. (BTW, Im not talking out my a$$ here...I have a degree in radiology with certs in ultrasound and magnetic resonance) and I dont see any reason it wouldnt be possible.
My apologies if you took "stoner dude" as derrogatory and didnt know that it would offend you. Just as you were making the assumption by the label I use, I did the same with yours. I also hold no grudge.
I take into consideration you dont know me from Adam...so FYI, my thoughts and opinions are just that...take them or leave them just as I will yours.
Now let me go play with my cards.