My bootleg story
ibzman350
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I collect lamination errors, so I saw this auction from the pic I saw a small lamination error on the coin, won the auction.
The next day I get positive feedback on my quick payment
I never send any money. Two days later I get the coin, very disappointed at the POS. So I wait a few more days thinking roomieshu would contact me about the money, nothing.
The following day we have a new member on the forum named bootleg. I welcome bootleg and notice his/her ebay handle. I PM asking about when and how I paid for the coin. He/she gets back to me 2 days later telling me about how honest I am and how the internet is full of dishonest people, blah, blah, blah and to send the money to Sheri XXXXXX with a NY address. Well I'm a straight up guy and had every intention of sending the money. I figure he/she and I made a deal, even though I got the shixxy end of the stick.
After today educational thread I've decided to send the coin back.
And here is the lamination error I bought
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Herb
The next day I get positive feedback on my quick payment
I never send any money. Two days later I get the coin, very disappointed at the POS. So I wait a few more days thinking roomieshu would contact me about the money, nothing.The following day we have a new member on the forum named bootleg. I welcome bootleg and notice his/her ebay handle. I PM asking about when and how I paid for the coin. He/she gets back to me 2 days later telling me about how honest I am and how the internet is full of dishonest people, blah, blah, blah and to send the money to Sheri XXXXXX with a NY address. Well I'm a straight up guy and had every intention of sending the money. I figure he/she and I made a deal, even though I got the shixxy end of the stick.
After today educational thread I've decided to send the coin back.
And here is the lamination error I bought
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Herb
Remember it's not how you pick your nose that matters, it's where you put the boogers.
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Herb
Send it back any honest member of this Board would see there "error" and refund you the cost +s/h/i
David
I may keep it and send the money,I like Die Cracks too.
Herb
I would send it back.... $0.37 stamp.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
My return policy is pretty much you see what you get,and for once that dollar came out great unlike the other pics...
But take another look at it under 10x,.....i suggest having it graded....
<< <i>by all means,it is a LAM error,it has depth to the lines and its what is described in the Red book 2005,.....
My return policy is pretty much you see what you get,and for once that dollar came out great unlike the other pics...
But take another look at it under 10x,.....i suggest having it graded.... >>
I have finally decided that you are not a scammer and for that reason, most will be willing to help you.
Despite your well intentions however, you are not very knowledgable about coins, grading, errors, rub, toning, strike, luster, eye appeal, the market, rim filings, originality, jewel luster, greysheet, bluesheet, seller responsibility, whizzing, cleaning, thumbing, doctoring, AT vs NT, photography, laminations, brockages, die rotations, varieties, broadstrikes, planchets, hubs, dies, presses, lint marks, proofs, business strikes, cuds, die cracks, the juice, tooling, repairing, plugs, corrosion and just about everything else that has to do with coins.
That is not a big deal...about three years ago, I knew very little too. Everyone on this board knew very little. I am STILL learning...a lot.
The difference is that we were all willing to put the time in to learn and LISTEN to those people around us that were the experts. Even though it was embarassing sometimes, frustrating others and downright humiliating at other times, I tried to keep my ego in check and my mouth shut.
It was tough, it still is tough...but I promise, if you observe....go to shows, read something other than the redbook on numismatics and ask people for advice, you will become knowledgable...
Now...that being said...take this for what it is...
#1. Your stuff on ebay is overpriced, very common and probably only worth a bit over its silver weight. The coin that you sold Herb is not very nice either and I think that they are not laminations, although I am not an error guy so I will refrain from making that judgement for the record.
#2. Real legitimate dealers offer return privledges of at least a few days on all the coins that they sell...and after the coins are sold they should always be willing to buy the coin back unless stated at the time of purchase...and that should be an exception to the rule.
#3. You need to be very careful as people will take advantage of you if are a arrogant newbie...the business is full of sharks.
#4. This is not a personal attack on you, this is just how business is done in numismatics by honest dealers....SO...you can either be a one hit wonder here, take what you can from the market through bad business practices and bad deals, or you can sit down, take the time to learn and join the community...the choice is yours.
V.r, John
siliconvalleycoins.com
I agree i dont know everything,and would like to share the rest of my coins with everyone,like the 1797 half cent error,.....
But in ibzma's case the pkg was sent out unknowingly without payment recived,just think what he said to him self when he got a free coin,but i did tell him not to many people are honest like him,and would of said nothing,and he's even sending payment and im sending a free coin for his honesty that im sure hell like,,,
but i do know theres sharks,i have been ripped dipped and thrown around like alot here,maybe thats why everyone was flamin me....
but i thnk every one should read the post i put up,and i personaly sent RYK a personal email stating that we should bury the hachet etc etc,,,,
Also I did say i would take off the V nic,and have it graded,cause people have been sayin thats VF-20 and below,and even the village idiot knows that its not,I just have a bad cam,and the Merc lot I should have taken pics of the coins more than the folders......
But lets leave IBZman;s post out of the other stuff.....
and also for everyone my name IS Rich,
Mike
Lincoln Wheats (1909 - 1958) Basic Set - Always Interested in Upgrading!
<< <i>im sure it does look like a scratch to everyone,thats why IBZ need to grab his 10X mag and look at the lines.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
Rich,
Trust me, the first thing I did was grab the loop. The lamination error is a big ding that happened to fall exactly where the die cracks intersect.
IMHO I believe your confusing Lamination errors with die cracks.
Here is one of my lamination error, btw I own 4 coins with such error, I was hoping to make it 5 with the coin I purchased from you.
Herb
i see now theres alot to learn,and tons of variations of the errors.....
so sorry and if ya want to return its up to you....
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But take another look at it under 10x,.....i suggest having it graded....
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Then send it in! It will come back in a bodybag though.
Cameron Kiefer
Probably the best thing you could do right now (Bootleg, that is) is to go to the Teletrade or Heritage websites, sign up for a free account, and spend a few days surfing pictures of current and past auctions to look at the coins that interest you in the whole spectrum of grades. Pics of coins aren't the same as coins in hand, but they can get you into the same ballpark. Try to get pics side by side of examples, preferably multiple examples, of the series you are concerned with in *every* grade -- VF20, VF25, Vf30, 35, etc right up into MS grades of every point -- 61, 62, 63 etc. It's a start. Also look at pics of coins in net graded ANACS slabs, and start forming a notion of what cleaning looks like vs. original surfaces.
There's tons to learn, but fortunately there's tons more info & resources available now right from your desk (thanks, internet) than even ten years ago or so. Good luck.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>You know, although it clearly isn't lamination, it does appear to be a possible die crack from the eBay image showing a closeup view. >>
now im boggled,is there an example of a die crack you can post Vs a Lam error?..........
so is a die crack worth 20 bucks?
Increase the Peace
<< <i>this is just my humble opinion, but the more that comes out into the open, the more it appears that Bootleg was very harshly judged, and the feeding frenzy was uncalled for. It is looking more similar to the thread that JADE put up here. I personally don't think he was being dishonest, just appears uninformed, like more people who are just starting.....like me.....
Increase the Peace >>
I just put what it said on the card,plus what it says in the red book about LAM errors i thought it would be one since the wording of the book went along with whats on the coin,....
other than that,its up to IBZman wht he wants to do.....
It is fine....you are doing what is right. Herb is as honest as the come around here so I am sure the transaction will go well.
John
siliconvalleycoins.com
A lamination, IMO, is more of a QC problem at the mint rather than an error. When I think of an error, I think of something else in the dies (strike through), or an offcenter strike and a ton of other ones.
To me a planchet lamination is just a defective planchet that was used and sooner or later showed its true colors.
Laminations happen more frequently on certain coins...war nickels come to mind.
Best thing is to ask one of the error guys on here. And if I promulgated bad gouge...sorry...
John
siliconvalleycoins.com
In the words of the late, great Jerry Garcia,
A box of rain will ease the pain and love will see you through
I had a large cent the same way and all agreed it was damage from a cut.
Mine looked better and still was damage.
<< <i>I'm just catching up on some threads. This is probably old news... that's a dented VAM-15A (formerly 1L), right? >>
BINGO, we have a winner
Peaceman enlightened me.
Herb