1960/5 Mantle on ebay

earlycalguy

Don't know how to send an ebay auction link - auction number is 5172773596. It's a 1960 Mantle with a 1965 psa label. Guessing the card was changed and not a labeling mistake.

denwd1

huh???

MarkLee

Here's the link...

1960 Mantle in 1965 Slab

jrdolan

That is bizarre. The seller wrote the description as if he doesn't even KNOW it's a 1960 Mantle. He clearly has never looked at the copyright or the career stats on the reverse. Which makes you wonder if he's the one who did the swapping, and just knows nothing about vintage cards. Even so, he should have seen the obvious difference between the '65 and the '60.

I don't know which theory is more far-fetched, that notion or the idea that PSA could have made that kind of mistake. At first thought, a simple typing error at PSA seems plausible ... But if that happened, why didn't the owner get it fixed? Why does he blindly go by the label as if he's never seen a real '65 Mantle? Someone who can afford to buy and grade Mantles wouldn't be that ignorant about them.

A puzzler.

earlycalguy

the holder looks discolored in the picture - a sign it was cracked? the card number is also that of the 65' mantle - so wrong year and card number.

shambo2000

PSA database also shows this a 1965.

CDsNuts

I think the scenario of a typo at PSA is more realistic than somebody passing off a 60 Mantle as a 65 in PSA 5 condition. That just wouldn't make sense at all.

Lee

jrdolan

<< <i>I think the scenario of a typo at PSA is more realistic than somebody passing off a 60 Mantle as a 65 in PSA 5 condition. That just wouldn't make sense at all.

Lee >>


That's what I thought, too. But remember that the seller is calling it a '65 ... not a '60 in a '65 holder. The seller either doesn't possess what he claims to be selling, or doesn't know the difference, or both. Either way, very scary for whoever wins this thing. Maybe the '60 is creased or worse.

wick70

the card number is also that of the 65' mantle - so wrong year and card number

For 1960 and 1965, the cards were both numbered 350. It may very well be a typo due to the grader. Somebody may want to e-mail the seller and ask for a better picture without a cropping of the holder bottom.

Wick

TimeMachine

it looks to me like PSA made another mistake.

CDsNuts

DaBigHurt: "Who are we to question the experts? If the slab says 1965 then the card was made in 1965. Were you at the Topps printing facility in 1965 when the cards were made? No, so how can you say that this card wasn't made in 1965. Why don't we do the collecting and leave the grading to the experts."

bobsbbcards

<< <i>DaBigHurt: "Who are we to question the experts? If the slab says 1965 then the card was made in 1965. Were you at the Topps printing facility in 1965 when the cards were made? No, so how can you say that this card wasn't made in 1965. Why don't we do the collecting and leave the grading to the experts." >>





More likely the submitter (auction seller) put 1965 down as the year on the submission form. Nobody paid a whole lot of attention to it at PSA (card # matched) and it went through. That's why the seller didn't pitch a fit when it came back--he still thought it was '65. Seems weird but legit.

calleocho

which is more expensive a 60 or a 65?

MarkLee

I was going to ask the seller about it but noticed he has already responded to 3 other similar questions:

Questions from other buyers for this listing

Q: Are you aware that's not a 1965 Mantle? Despite what the label says, it's 1960. Answered on Mar-07-05
A: Anyone think this card is worth more since its proof of PSA's inaccuracy?

Q: your "1965" mantle is actualy a 1960 mantle with the wrong cert. psa mechanical error? steve Answered on Mar-07-05
A: PSA is just getting better all the time aparently

Q: Any idea how a 1960 Mantle got placed in a holder with his 1965 information on the lable? I checked the PSA database and they show it to be a 1965 also. Just curious. Answered on Mar-07-05
A: They messed up. I personally had it graded too. You can tell the case has not been tampered with. Not to mention, the value of it is much lower as a 1965 then a 1960 so you know this wasn't done to make more money.

denwd1

i bought a 1962 topps psa 7 bob gibson from teletrade auctions in about 1993 or 94(pre computer auctions at least for me)where you bid over the phone(sight unseen) and it was labeled as a 1963 topps,so it happens. but i wasn't to happy that they didn't tell it was mislabeled.
CDsNuts you posted those comments before da big hurt could--you have his act down!!

pandrews

<< <i>the holder looks discolored in the picture - a sign it was cracked? >>



nah.. not cracked..

WinPitcher

: They messed up. I personally had it graded too. You can tell the case has not been tampered with. Not to mention, the value of it is much lower as a 1965 then a 1960 so you know this wasn't done to make more money.


yeah ok I believe him,

3rd answer: Wasn't done to make more money

2nd answer: think it is more valuable?

Frosted case, wrong card, valid cert. Spells PSA BASHER

pandrews

<< <i>Frosted case, wrong card, valid cert. Spells PSA BASHER >>



i dont think its frosted.. ?.. the cases ive cracked always have frostier looking edges than that one..

WinPitcher

Oops squash the frosted comment (other thread) however it still spells basher at the most, idiot at the least.


He claims he did send it in?

calleocho

i have gotten things labeled wrong in many places, work, drivers license, etc.

Sh!t happens, you could either get pissed or be proactive and fix it.

jrdolan

This is even more bizarre that he KNOWS it's not a '65. Yet he's still advertising it as such? I don't get it.