anyone need this!!

spinaker2000

linky

Askari

What would make that MS-61 or even MS-60???

a2labmom

what a great looking coin.

satootoko

"MS" is for Many Scratches, not Mint State!

vrtech99sboss

"Some light haymarking."

SYRACUSIAN

Roy

sumnom

I don't know that "need" is the right word. Maybe "want" is better.

1jester

Am I being optimistic in hoping those are die polish lines? The haymarking sure combines for a wild look!!

theboz11

Looks like it was sandpapered and the residue was blown off the coin by mouth and the spit marks not wiped off,,How Sad

ajaan

Geez, I was thinking of bidding but I don't want to be the butt of any more jokes, especially after my 'Proof Set' goof.

XpipedreamR

What exactly is "haymarking?"

MacCrimmon

<< <i>What exactly is "haymarking?" >>

Those thin black (dark gray) streaks are tin impurities.

edited: common in this era, but to be avoided (minimized) if possible.

python

I think I'll pass on this one thanks.

Aethelred

I wonder how much it took to get NGC to give that a 62?

JamminJ

Unattractive, but it might actually be uncirculated - or at worst have a bit of rub.

Look at all the lines, they all disappear beneath the devices but only where the devices are small (where it would be difficut for something polishing the die to get into the smaller crevices) . Good places to see this are in the legends, the nose and the tip of the hair ribbon.

Also look at the high points of the hair where the detail is missing - no lines there. Judging from the rest of the coin, if the lines are die polish they would probably be on these high points. If the coin was circulated and the lines a result of a harsh cleaning they would certainly be there. However, since they're not they could have disappeared from either wear or from the coin originally being poorly struck up. If it was wear, why are the fields mostly unimpared and the reverse side crown intact?

NGC can be forgiving of light cleanig but there's no way they missed a cleaning that like that.

My best guess is that this coin really is uncirculated and MS62 is pretty consistent with NGC's grading, with the usual caveat of it being difficult to grade from a scan.

For Askari, NGC's low grade MS often runs like this:
MS60: Tremendous amounts of bagmarks, or truly awful mint made problems like a horrible plancet
MS61: Cleaned
MS62: If attractive light rub/wear, if unattractive it's just unattractive

I wonder what the replies to this post will look like...

-JamminJ

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<< <i> I wonder what the replies to this post will look like...

-JamminJ >>



Ya never know - they might look something like this -

JamminJ

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<< <i> I wonder what the replies to this post will look like...

-JamminJ >>



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That was mild, I expected to be flamed.

-JamminJ

Askari

<< <i>That was mild, I expected to be flamed. >>

Here? On the Dark Side??

Thanks for the NGC decoder key, JamminJ! Still, I'd hardly say the fields are "unimpaired" even if it's due to bad die polishing -- which could, in a pic, hide a number of sins. There does seem to be some softness of strike; just look at the Roman numeral "III". I'd certainly hold out for a NGC 63 at all accounts.

JamminJ

<< <i>Still, I'd hardly say the fields are "unimpaired" even if it's due to bad die polishing -- which could, in a pic, hide a number of sins. >>



A poor choice of words on my part. By "unimpared" I meant that if the coin had circulated heavily enough to remove all the detail from the hair you'd also see enough rub in the fields to remove the die polish.

Make no mistake about it, if I wanted this coin for my collection I would wait for a better example. I just wanted to point out that even ugly coins can be correctly graded as "uncirculated".

-JamminJ

Askari

Yes, ugly coins can be unc.; however, micrograding problem coins is not an art I've ever mastered.