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My conversation With Topps Today with regards to Heritage
IJustLoveCards
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Hello fello board members, after much debate, 16 full boxes, 12 hobby and 4 retail, 1200.00 later and not completing my master set I decided to call topps this morning. I have never called them to complain and since I was not in their database they knew I had never called before looking for some free handouts.
They agreed to finish my set I just need to send in my upc codes from my boxes, and the 3 cards I am short will be sent to me.
As far as the light back theory it is NOT a master set..Those particular cards were in a run of different stock at another plant. This information came directly from the Heritage Production manager.
He stated that if a premium is set by the collecting community then it is up to us to put a premium on those cards but topps was not doing it to replicate the 1956 variations in the different backs.
Again, If we as collectors place a premium on a light back set of 220 then it is the marketplace that will determine the value.
They agreed to finish my set I just need to send in my upc codes from my boxes, and the 3 cards I am short will be sent to me.
As far as the light back theory it is NOT a master set..Those particular cards were in a run of different stock at another plant. This information came directly from the Heritage Production manager.
He stated that if a premium is set by the collecting community then it is up to us to put a premium on those cards but topps was not doing it to replicate the 1956 variations in the different backs.
Again, If we as collectors place a premium on a light back set of 220 then it is the marketplace that will determine the value.
The Link below will take you to the PSA Boards 1952 Set Build, I also have made 5 slideshows each slideshow is 100 cards long, card numbers 1-99,100-199,200-299,300-399, and 400-407
Link To Scanned 1952 Topps Cards Set is now 90% Complete Plus Slideshows of the 52 Set
Link To Scanned 1952 Topps Cards Set is now 90% Complete Plus Slideshows of the 52 Set
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ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
<< <i>He stated that if a premium is set by the collecting community then it is up to us to put a premium on those cards but topps was not doing it to replicate the 1956 variations in the different backs. >>
With all due respect to Topps,
That just doesn't fly with me. Personally I think it was done with purpose - they know the nature of collectors and are depending on them to stay true to their instinctive traits - i.e. - collect it all!
I don't want to sound cynical but come on - what does Topps think? Hmmm...oh yeah, I sailed in off a banana boat, worked my way thru the cotton fields and jumped off the turnip truck just in time to buy Topps Heritage Hobby this year!
Having said that, it's a great product but Topps needs our honest, mature feed back!
Stone
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I don't want to sound cynical but come on - what does Topps think? Hmmm...oh yeah, I sailed in off a banana boat, worked my way thru the cotton fields and jumped off the turnip truck just in time to buy Topps Heritage Hobby this year!
Stone >>
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
That is true regardless if Topps did it on purpose or not.
<< <i>Again, If we as collectors place a premium on a light back set of 220 then it is the marketplace that will determine the value.
That is true regardless if Topps did it on purpose or not. >>
Indeed, the light backs are starting to show up on e-bay. Will be interesting to see what they go for
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Nice pull !
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
<< <i>$1,200? Was it worth it? >>
yes, I enjoyed opening the packs and It is the only modern set I collect. I have collected the heritage master sets since their inception and will continue to do so. In the past I didnt have to spend as much to complete the set. It was def harder this year.
I can only repeat to my fellow board members my conversation with topps. It is up to each individual as to how much they want to collect the light backs, place a premium on them, or not. I have 177 of them and will hope to get all 220 thru trades because I think there will be some sort of premium for them set by fellow collectors. Now, will the 220 be above the 475 or will the 475 have the 220 lightbacks included in that number. I don't know the answer.
Link To Scanned 1952 Topps Cards Set is now 90% Complete Plus Slideshows of the 52 Set
How much are master sets going for on Ebay??
I suspect some people will want them, some won't...probably a 50/50 split.
How many people don't even know the light backs are a variant?
You should of asked for for an extra box for all of those pennants you were supposed to receive.
First thanx for the report! Didn't mean to appear to kill the messenger.
I will complete the lights with the set since the Master is not complete unless I do it. For me, the chromes need to be done too as part of the master - just my preference or should I say lunacy!
If one decides not to do the light variants, it's no crime or anything - it's still a Master Set IMO without the light backs.
On the sets - I had reported in another thread the sale of some sets - they are averaging about 300+ for the master sets - NOT including the light backs. The lower price from last year is probably a reflection of the fact that the SP ratio is better this year overall than last.
I'm almost done working on the initial go thru of my set - before it goes into a folder, I do try to get the best cards possible.
I will be able to help others - if I don't get back to you - please PM me - I have not made a contact list yet.
I will be happy to trade SP's for chromes that people don't want - 110 card set is tuff to complete without help from my friends.
So far, I have gotten help from Softparade and a newcomer who is also being very generous...Orion.
Thanx for your help guys
your friend
Mike
the same packs you and I do. There is no "heritage production manager". This just isn't big to topps. It doesn't make them a
whole lot of money so they don't care, they are much more interested in seeing where they can cut costs next year.
Topps is just covering themselves here. If they announce that the set is now much harder to complete that is going to
tick off some collectors. They are just going to lie and say they knew nothing about it (which actually might not be a lie), and
keep the door open for those who want to include this in their master sets.
These light backs aren't random enough for me to believe that it is some sort of production error. If you want my opinion
a master set includes the light backs.
Good Luck
Kevin
Hopefully you get some extra SPs that I need...as I have approx 50 different chromes.
The packs I got from target in the 2x12 pack boxes has a completely different part number/bar code than the retail hobby boxes (3x8) I got at the card shop. It would make sense that the cards would indeed come from different plants to go to different locations.
Not saying I completely believe topps here, but it isn't 100% unbelievable.
As for another question as to the master set price... fresh off the release date, complete sets with all the SP sets included (no "light" backs) sold for $360 the week heritage was released. So spending $1200 and not getting this is quite a premium on opening packs and possibly getting a "rare" insert. Did you even get any?
But hey, to every man his own. Interesting that Topps is just going to give you your cards. What do they have coallated sets sitting in storage somewhere to give away? Sounds kinda weird to me.
GG
Simply an FYI,
GG
<< <i>Like its been said before, the light backs value will be determined by the marketplace. Don't forget the 91 Donruss variations. Caused some mad hype in the day, but within a year nobody cared. Again, time will tell.
As for another question as to the master set price... fresh off the release date, complete sets with all the SP sets included (no "light" backs) sold for $360 the week heritage was released. So spending $1200 and not getting this is quite a premium on opening packs and possibly getting a "rare" insert. Did you even get any?
But hey, to every man his own. Interesting that Topps is just going to give you your cards. What do they have coallated sets sitting in storage somewhere to give away? Sounds kinda weird to me.
GG >>
I dont know, I dont work at topps but Lynn in Customer service told me that I needed to list the cards I was missing and that I would get those cards sent to me. Now are they going to "bust some boxes open" in the lunch room till they find my cards? I really dont know nor do I care.
Link To Scanned 1952 Topps Cards Set is now 90% Complete Plus Slideshows of the 52 Set
As far as the light backs are concerned, it seems odd that the printer would only print 220 cards. (11x20) and that's it. Why wouldn't there be a light back variation on every card if it was just a paper stock variation that was unintentional. I think it was intentional, and I'm glad. Kinda peeved me that my master set was now incomplete...but now it gives me something else to chase. By the way, for "IJustLoveCards" I ripped 27 boxes, it took 23 to complete my master set, and I was only 13 cards short after my first case. 8 short after 9 more boxes. I ended up buying the other cards I needed at the show that next weekend. It was 5 boxes into my next case when I would have actually completed the master set on my own.
From my experience, T&N #5, Todd Helton (5), Jim Edmonds (20) and Kaz Ishii (79) are the hardest cards to pull. Out of 27 boxes I managed exactly 2 of each.
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BigCrumbs! I made over $250 last year!
Not bad at all...congrats.
Looks like the people I have been trading my light backs to have gotten a good deal.
But that is just my opinion.
<< <i>I say this was obviously done intentionally. If not, there would be boxes of only grey backs and boxes of only light backs. The other factory would have used all the same stock for all of their cards. And for Topps to not have that kind of quality control? No way.
But that is just my opinion. >>
Exactly, this really isn't 1956!!!!