It's funny that I see morgans on this board constantly but never get to see any diagnostics(better?) about strike....etc I see alot info on Vam stuff on here though. I know I could go read a book to find out but it would be cool to have some Posts on the subject too. Wouldn't you agree?
I used Wam98's photo for this question. Hopefully this will help out a some of the newbies that are here including myself as for I know nothing of this series.
The boxed in sections of this coin.....is that strike weakness? For this year, is that a typical or weaker strike? I see this on Frankies from time to time so I know it is strike and not rub.
<< <i>It's funny that I see morgans on this board constantly but never get to see any statictics(except for Vam's). >>
Not sure what kinds of statistics you want to see. Pop reports? >>
yeah ok, so statistics migh have been the wrong word.....I'll go back and change it to something else to more accurately describe exactly what I'm asking for.
Purple73: I think that what you are identifying in your previous post would be considered frictional breaks in the mint frost of a Morgan Dollar due to transportation while the coin was in either a canvas bag and/or a barrel/keg while it was still technically uncirculated.
A certain amount of mint frost breaks are allowed for the coin to still qualify as mint state, since Morgan Dollars are so heavy and imparted sometimes a significant amount of frictional wear upon one another during their long journey by train or stagecoach from the U.S. mint to their destination bank.
The 1879-S happens to be one of the most consistently well-struck and lustrous Morgan Dollars ever issued, along with the 1880-S and 1881-S issues. If a Morgan is weakly struck on the reverse you will typically see weakness in the eagles talon (claw) area and in the arrows. In pre-1900 issues you may also see poorly defined breast feathers on the eagle. The 1900-1904 and 1921 issues were struck from dies with less boldly defined breast feathers on the eagle, such that even well-struck coins may show only poorly defined breast feathers.
A weakly struck obverse will typically show poorly defined hair over Miss Liberty's ear. I hope that this post is helpful.
Stuart
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Thanks Stuart for taking the time for that explanation. Both you and Eric are always really helpful (and knowledgeable). Eric, I see that 79S in a 5 slab.
<<"A certain amount of mint frost breaks are allowed for the coin to still qualify as mint state, since Morgan Dollars are so heavy and imparted sometimes a significant amount of frictional wear upon one another during their long journey by train or stagecoach from the U.S. mint to their destination bank.">>
The bouncing around of bags of Morgans in the backs of wagons over rough prairie and other dirt and rock venues is often used to explain the plethora of bagmarks often found on CC Morgans. Since Morgans were minted in Carson City to be used in the western states there would be no real reason to ship O minted coins from Nawlins to the western states.
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Wiseguy.
OK,
If it's a 64,you did good.
Real nice 63 at worst(imo).
If it's a 65,shame on me.
Brian
<< <i>64. Where is the rainbow? >>
Right here.
64 + or a 65 -
Herb
MS-65 on the 85 CC for eye appeal. Beautiful coin.
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I used Wam98's photo for this question. Hopefully this will help out a some of the newbies that are here including myself as for I know nothing of this series.
The boxed in sections of this coin.....is that strike weakness? For this year, is that a typical or weaker strike?
I see this on Frankies from time to time so I know it is strike and not rub.
Are the boxed areas the high points of this coin?
PURPLE
<< <i>It's funny that I see morgans on this board constantly but never get to see any statictics(except for Vam's). >>
Not sure what kinds of statistics you want to see. Pop reports?
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<< <i>It's funny that I see morgans on this board constantly but never get to see any statictics(except for Vam's). >>
Not sure what kinds of statistics you want to see. Pop reports? >>
yeah ok, so statistics migh have been the wrong word.....I'll go back and change it to something else to more accurately describe exactly what I'm asking for.
The 85-CC's are some of the most beautiful CC Morgans out there. Even though their mintage is low, there are many in higher grades.
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A certain amount of mint frost breaks are allowed for the coin to still qualify as mint state, since Morgan Dollars are so heavy and imparted sometimes a significant amount of frictional wear upon one another during their long journey by train or stagecoach from the U.S. mint to their destination bank.
The 1879-S happens to be one of the most consistently well-struck and lustrous Morgan Dollars ever issued, along with the 1880-S and 1881-S issues. If a Morgan is weakly struck on the reverse you will typically see weakness in the eagles talon (claw) area and in the arrows. In pre-1900 issues you may also see poorly defined breast feathers on the eagle. The 1900-1904 and 1921 issues were struck from dies with less boldly defined breast feathers on the eagle, such that even well-struck coins may show only poorly defined breast feathers.
A weakly struck obverse will typically show poorly defined hair over Miss Liberty's ear. I hope that this post is helpful.
Stuart
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Miss Morgan seems to smiling at that rainbow in the 85-CC (I'll guess 65).
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The 85-CC is in a blue label holder as MS64.
The bouncing around of bags of Morgans in the backs of wagons over rough prairie and other dirt and rock venues is often used to explain the plethora of bagmarks often found on CC Morgans. Since Morgans were minted in Carson City to be used in the western states there would be no real reason to ship O minted coins from Nawlins to the western states.