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Picked up a pop 1 1945-P 10c in NGC 61FB for too much money at $1,840! UPDATE: IT CROSSED AT MS-61FB
oreville
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NGC pop 1 / PCGS none.
Never mind that there are 123 finer!!!!!
It is the 1945-P NGC MS-61 FB dime. Working on a grading set of these. Have them from 60 through 67FB except the MS-60FB and MS-66FB but also wonder if there are any in AU.
UPDATE: IT CROSSED AT MS-61FB TO PCGS! Now the PCGS pop is 1 in this grade and none lower!
Note that it is marginally off-center which makes the FB designation more possible and also less valuable market grade wise.
Never mind that there are 123 finer!!!!!
It is the 1945-P NGC MS-61 FB dime. Working on a grading set of these. Have them from 60 through 67FB except the MS-60FB and MS-66FB but also wonder if there are any in AU.
UPDATE: IT CROSSED AT MS-61FB TO PCGS! Now the PCGS pop is 1 in this grade and none lower!
Note that it is marginally off-center which makes the FB designation more possible and also less valuable market grade wise.
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So you were the one that won it -- I was wondering who was bidding all this $$ for this dime.
Did you know you could've gotten an nice MS63FB Anacs one off of eBay for $1,500 just a few days ago? Although that dealer bought it off of Teletrade a month and a half ago for $1,210. I know 'cause I was bidding on it
Just to give you an idea of the craziness, I paid $340 for a gorgeous PCGS MS-62FB from a Bowers and Merena auction about 5 years ago.
My wife deadpans and says well, I can call it dollar cost averaging.
All kidding aside, though, any interest in selling or trading for the 62FB PCGS one? I need to fill that hole in my set.
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BTW -- here's what I picked up
My LB Win
My holdings for my grading set are as follows:
MS-67FB NGC $11,000 (real old NGC holder) being sold at Heritage Pre-ANA in LA Summer 2009
MS-66FB still need
MS-65FB PCGS $5,900 and $6900 (sold the 2nd one)
MS-64FB PCGS $1.650
MS-63FB PCGS $ 700
MS-62FB PCGS $ 340
MS-61FB NGC/PCGS $1,840
MS-60FB WANTED
AU-58FB WANTED
This means I need a few myself to complete my set.
I don't think you will see any of Oreville's 45p fb dimes on the market
for a very long time, I remember talking with him several years ago about the 45p fb dimes
and his grading set. looks like it is getting closer to complete, the 66fb should
show up sooner or later as for the bottom to , that may take some time
Tim
the reverse of that one looks really nice, let me know what you think
after you get it in hand
thanks
Tim
I was thinking the same thing - that 61FB is really nice - I wonder if it isn't a grade higher.....congrat's I actually wondered too who'd purchase a lowly 45-P in 61
One of these days I'd love to see that graded set~~~~~~~~
your wife and my wife would make a hell of a team
Mike, Nice 20-S actually looks like a pretty decent 64FB
Marc
Boy those 20-S FB's are hard to come by -- nice ones anyway
The 65FB's are pricey so I've been trying to find a nice 64FB for now. I'm actually shocked I won this coin (I won 5 out 25 I was bidding on) -- and won it by the skin of my nose (the next bid would have beat me).
When I get it in hand I'll take better pictures of it and post -- from their pictures, though, it looks pretty good
The coin was extremely and heavily striated with all kinds of polishing marks. There appears to be some barey discernable very light scratches on the obverse but need to examine them further. If they are really scratches then I will feel a little better about the accuracy of the grade. It would still be a MS-62FB in that case.
The coin is indeed very PQ looking in person.
If I could own MS-61FB coins looking like this I would buy them all.
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Trying to fill in with both services as I go along. It will take me another 10 years to complete it. Already have been working on it since 1987.
Believe me, the 60-62 grades are harder to find than the 63 and up grades!!!!!!!!!
How much could a 45-P FB be broadstruck before the TPG's call it an error coin?
I saw a nice 45-P with FB (raw) at a show today...it's 63+ coin (with a small scratch on the obverse so I'd say it would grade 60-61) but it was broadstruck pretty good. Without a picture, imagine a Merc and imagine the right edge (3:00PM) ending where the rim would usually be. I'm not an error guy but I'd say that the coin was 7%-10% broadstruck.
Anyway, if slabbed by PCGS would this be an error coin or a regular coin with FB?
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Mike.
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These pictures should be helpful as both PCGS and NGC previously slabbed broadstrucked 1945 as FB. Both of these coins sold at heritage in different years.
Also see the Heritage commentary regarding the PCGS FB dime
Description
1945 10C --Broadstruck Out of Collar--MS62 Full Bands PCGS. In a conversation on the bourse floor of the 1977 ANA in Atlanta, Harold Kritzman told me (MVW) that the only deeply split 1945-P Dimes he had ever seen were on off-center coins. While this coin is not off-center, the same principle applies. The planchet was allowed to expand since there was no collar. As a result, details in the center are unusually well defined. This piece shows the viewer what a 1945-P would look like if it had been produced as in previous years. Of course, to achieve this "look" the actual production method has to be different than a normally struck 1945-P. The bright mint luster is accented by a light accent of golden-brown peripheral toning.
The Harold and Jan P. Kritzman Collection.
How are these priced -- like error coins or like 45-P FB coins? Curious 'cause I don't know how to price it and thus don't know if the guy is asking a fair price.
Any advice?
If you have a MS-61 quality coin inclusive of the light scratch but not inclusive of the broadstrike then it will most likely be reduced to MS-60 FB grade by PCGS which has a probably market value of around $500 give or take. But do note that PCGS has never graded any 1945 FB dime below MS-62FB.
Oreville - I very highly doubt that PCGS thinks like that. More likely, you missed something on the coin, or maybe the PCGS finalizer had a hangover. But since I don't expect you to accept my opinion as fact, try asking HRH.
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Indeed all of this are our opinions but certainly is a reasonable question to ask of HRH. I will do so.
Good suggestion.
WOW - and she's in to the FB's to boot!!!!
Best of luck always!
Mike
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<< <i>UPDATE: IT CROSSED AT MS-61FB TO PCGS! Now the PCGS pop is 1 in this grade and none lower! >>
So now does it count for both the PCGS and NGC grading sets? lol
And youre telling me they dont look at the holders before they grade a crossover? Very hard to believe both companies graded that coin MS-61.
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And youre telling me they dont look at the holders before they grade a crossover? Very hard to believe both companies graded that coin MS-61. >>
I am not following you. Of course the TPG have to look at the holders before they grade a crossover. They cannot bust them open until they are satisfied that it meets the grade specified by the submitter.
In my case, I allowed PCGS to grade the coin as low as MS-60FB which was what I was expecting from PCGS but naturally felt it was a cinch for a 61FB as it is pleasing to the eye for the grade.