Please help a lightside guy figure out what some stuff is!!!

PutTogether

Hi everyone. I generally hang out on the US coins side, but recently inherited a box of foreign coins from ALL OVER THE PLACE. I've spent all day with a book i picked up at the local bookstore just to try to figure out what most of it is, and I got most all of it. There were quite a few though, that while i was able to determine ( i think) their country of origin, my book didn't go back far enough to tell me what they were, or what their value could ROUGHLY be. (i will try my best to describe as i am currently unable to do anything with a picture).

Any and all help would be very very very appreciated.

1 - I believe this is Russian, at least the writing looks Russian: 1784 1/2 STUBER?

2 - This one I believe is British, as it has the same design as some of the other coins I found that were British. It is about the size of a US Nickel, is made of copper, says something on the obverse about BRITANNIA DEI GRATIA and the words around the reverse are too small for me to read. Obverse is a mans profile, reverse is what looks kind of like a soldier sitting on something. dated 1823

3- I THINK this is german. Dated 1816, made of copper. About the size of a US quarter. One said says this around the periphery: "SCHEIDEMUNZE. K.K. OESTERRERREICHISCHE" The other side says in bold letters in the center "EIN KREUZER" with the date below it.

4 - I think this one is german as well but is worn and difficult to read. Slightly bigger than a US dime, made of copper, dated 1823. One side has whatlooks to be a horse rearing up a bit. The other side says "PFENNING SCHEIDE MUNZE" above the date.

5 - Another one that is probably german. Same size as above: dated 1906. has a crown on one side, and the legend "dEUTSCH OSTATRIKA"
The other side is a wreath surrounding the phrase "1/2 HELLER"

6 - Another that I think is German. very light and silver colored (though doesnt feel like silver) Dated 1918, looks like a woman carrying a large artillery shell?

7 - One that looks silver, and is about the size of a US quarter. It says "1 LIRA" which would make me think its italian, but it doesnt look like the pictures of the italian lira of that time period. It's got a profile of a fat gentleman on the front, and the legend reads in a circle around him. "PIVS IX PON. MAX. AN XXI" dated 1866 The reverse (At least i think its the reverse) says this around the periphery "PONTIFICIO. STATO." The two words are seperated by stars.

8 - Another coin slighly bigger than a US nickel that also looks silver, and is marked "10 CENTIMES" Which would make me think is french, but I can't find pictures of that look like it in the french section of my book. Dated 1861, This one is actually in decent looking shape and says around the periphery "LEOPOLD PREMIER ROI DES BELGES" The other side has a lion standing on two legs and reads "L'UNION FAIT LA FORCE" and the date.

9 Another I can barely make out, about the size of the canadian large pennies. outline remains of the profile of a woman and it says "ISABELADE LA G DE DIOS V" (that may be incorrect as the legend is quite worn) and is dated 1847.

Thats about it. The last two I can't even begin to describe because they are totally in what looks like arabic. Please please please tell me what these coins are, and what, if anything, they may be worth. (all are normal circulated coins, no obvious damage, only the last one is worn to the point of being difficult to read)

Eric.

Philip

1. This is German, probably from Julich-Berg, Cleves or Cologne (although I suspect that the date excludes Cologne). There are other experts that will give more detail.

2. Most probably a British farthing. The "soldier" is Britannia

3. Austria, 1 Kreuzer, 1816. Under the wreath there is a mintmark, most commonly A or B.

4. Is german, but the details you provide are not enough for a positive identification. My guess: 1 Pfennig from Prussia.

5. 1/2 Heller, German East Africa, now Tanzania.

6. ???

7. Looks like a Papal States 1 Lira.

8. Belgium, 10 Centimes, made of copper-nickel.

9. Sounds Spanish. Isabella was queen of Spain back then.

Philip

Here are the Krause values for some of your coins, provided that my identification has been correct Values are for Fine, VF, XF.

2. This one has two versions, dated 1823 and |823. The first catalogs at $3 in Fine, $8 in VF and $22 in XF. For the second version the values are $6, $15 and $30, respectively.

3. A or B mintmark: $1, $2 and $4. G, O, S or S. mintmark: $2, $6, $12. E mintmark: $7.50, $15, $25.

4. $1.50, $3.50, $7.

5. Comes with either A or J mintmark. $2.25, $5.25, $9.

7. This one comes in several versions, the one you have catalogs at $4, $10, $ 20.

8. $0.75, $4, $12

9. The legend should read ISABEL 2A POR LA G. DE DIOS Y LA CONST. Looks like 8 Maravedis. There are two versions, J (or Ja) mintmark or an aqueduct mintmark. Both catalog at $3 in Fine and $7 in VF.

I'd say you have a really fascinating bunch

Edited to add the number of Maravedis

PutTogether

thanks for the help. I really wonder what that number 6 is. It is kind of a fascinating bunch, I've never messed around with world coins before. Very interesting. The ones I listed there barely scratch the surface. There was almost a hundred more that I was able to figure out myself.

While you have the kraus book out, could I trouble you to look up a few more? For these ones I think I figured out at least what they ARE.
1874 10 Ore
1899 5 Ore

Peru
1895 2 Centavo
1901 1 Centavo

Nicaragua
1916 1 Centavo

Canada
Bank of Montreal Penny 1844
Bank of Upper Canada 1857

a 1907 half cent that says "british upper borneo?"


I appreciate the assitance, this stuff is all greek to me, but I must admit, all these coins from all over time and all over the world all in one place is kind of intriguing.

sumnom

Got pics?

Philip

What country are the Ores from? Sweden, Norway or Denmark?

Philip

Peru, 2 Centavos, 1895: $ 0.75, $1.75, $4
Peru, 1 Centavo, 1901: $1, $2.50, $4
Nicaragua, 1 Centavo, 1916: $2, $5, $15
Canada, 1844. There's a 1/2 Penny token only. $2.50, $3.75, $11.50
Canada, 1857, 1 Penny token: $3, $5, $12.5
British North Borneo, now part of Malaysia, 1/2 Cent, 1907: $15, $30, $45

Last one sounds like a winner

Philip

Since you have a large assortment of coins, my advice would be to get hold of a Krause catalog. Those are fairly thick, come in 4 editions and span 4 centuries, from 1601 to present. Many people advise for "the nearest library" and it would be best if yours carried Krause catalogs.

kuhli

<< <i>4 - I think this one is german as well but is worn and difficult to read. Slightly bigger than a US dime, made of copper, dated 1823. One side has whatlooks to be a horse rearing up a bit. The other side says "PFENNING SCHEIDE MUNZE" above the date. >>



That would be from the German state of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel.


Of course, there are 3 varieties, depending on what the legend around the horse says.

kuhli

<< <i>a 1907 half cent that says "british upper borneo?" >>



Should read British North Borneo Co., if it is the real coin.

Askari

Welcome, PutTogether!! Glad you were "brave enough" to dare wander over here ... but I suspect you've already been "infected" with the Dark Side!!

The others seem to have nailed them all except for #6. My guess is that it is not a coin but a medal or perhaps a token of some sort. Sounds like it is made of "white metal", a tin-based alloy. Can you provide more details of the item, including of what's on the other side?

PutTogether

Thank you for allthe replies.

The Ore are from Denmark.

As for the coin with the woman holding the artillery shell
One side shows a woman standing upright, with her hair wrapped in one of those old fashioned hood looking things. She is cradling in her arms something that looks like a massive artillery shell, and is walking amongst a field of them. The legend around the periphery reads
"FURS VATERLAND"

The other side of the coin in very fancy writing says "STAVT (that 'v' could be a 'u', not sure) FRANKENTHAL. RREIGSGEID" wriiten around the number 10. Dated 1918

Askari

Ah, what you have there is German Notgeld -- or emergency money -- from WWI. The word Kriegsgeld means "war money." Stadt Frankenthal is the city of Frankenthal in Bavaria. The woman is a factory worker in a munitions plant. The "10" is for 10 pfennig and the coin is made of iron, according to Peter Menzel, who catalogs it as M4157.16; it is very common, worth a dollar or so if Unc.

Askari

Not much of a description to go on, but I believe your 1784 1/2 Stuber is a copper coin from the German duchy of Julich-Berg. If so, the obv. will have a floral sort of 'JB' monogram and a legend reading "Gulich und Bergische Landmunz". It's listed as KM206 and lists for $3.50 in VG, $6 in Fine, $12 in VF, and $28 in XF.

PutTogether

You darkside guys are a polite, cheery, helpful bunch!!!!!!!!!

Askari

We are indeed ... that's one of the reasons we have so many refugees here from the "other" side.

Philip

Just to finish answering your query:

Denmark, 10 Ore, 1874: $7 in Fine, $22.50 in VF, $45 in XF
Denmark, 5 Ore, 1899: $11, $22.5, $55

PutTogether

as per askari's request.....here is the best description I can come up with of the 1/2 STUBER

One said merely has the fraction 1/2, and then below the fraction is the word STUBER in big block letters. Below the STUBER is the date: 1784. There is a small floral pattern in a bit of the blank space.

The other side has a pattern in the center that is difficult to describe. It almost looks like a large letter 'C' done in caligraphy, with a smaller, backwards C intersecting the middle of it. The legend around the periphery says "SOHELAND. UNATUGLICHUNDBERG" though i may have some of those letters wrong.

Askari

I think if you rearrange "SOHELAND. UNAT UGLICHUNDBERG" as "GULICHUNDBERGSOHE LAND.UNAT" you are probably reading the full legend "Gulich und Bergische Landmunz" in worn letters, so it would indeed appear that you have a Julich-Berg 1/2 Stuber since everything else fits.

Askari

<< <i>By the way, what is a stuber? Is it like our dollar? our cent? >>

This denomination is from the days where coinage was pre-decimal and a dollar in the US was a good bit of money and a half cent actually bought something; moreover, they were worth different amounts. In one German province, a Thaler was the equivalent of 9 Schillings and a Schilling was worth 9 Stuber, so there was 81 Stuber to the Thaler. In Julich-Berg, there were only 8 of their Schillings to the Thaler. Best I can figure, a 1/2 Stuber was 1/74 Thaler (or 37 Stuber to the Thaler) -- nor was it the lowest denomination as a Stuber was worth 16 Heller. With 592 Heller to the Thaler, a Stuber was worth about 2-3/4 cents, decimal-wise, but this would not be an accurate representation of its relative buying power at the time. Some time ago I saw a suggestion that the Thaler had a buying power roughly equal to $20 modern. I don't know if that's accurate, but if it is, then a Stuber would be the rough equivalent of a half dollar and the 1/2 Stuber the rough "working equivalent" of our quarter.