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CDsNuts

Am I the only person that gets a little pissed off at this kind of stuff? OK, so I'm 13 years old and decided to spend my hard earned money on a box of Heritage looking for a rare card of a great BASEBALL PLAYER and pull a 1/1......... But it's a Supreme Court Justice! Do I collect Supreme Court justices? No. Do I know anything about Mr. Warren? No. Will this card be of interest to people who collect this kind of stuff? No, they'll probably be pissed of an important historical document was destroyed so this man's autograph could be used as a gimmick to sell baseball cards. I mean, if they're going to do something like this, they should at least use autographs that would be of value to anybody, such as Marylon Monroe, Abe Lincoln, or Elvis.

Then again, I also hate the fact that they tear up great game worn uni's and throw great game-used bats into the woodchipper so they can put a tiny piece on a card. Hell, keep the jersey's and bats in tact and put redemption cards in the packs for the whole thing. I would much rather have a near impossible shot at a game-used jersey, than to have a reasonable chance at pulling a card with a tiny piece of the jersey which would otherwise be worthless if it weren't on a hard-to-pull card, which would be valuable anyway because it's a hard-to-pull card. What's next? Cutting autographs up letter-by-letter and putting each letter on a different card? "I got a 1/1 Babe Ruth auto card with the 'B'!!!" All I'm saying is that taking something that has great value and tearing it up into tiny pieces doesn't make any sense whatsoever, other than as a cheap gimmick to get people to buy your brand.

Lee

Griffins

I agree that this stuff shouldn't be cut up- what next, own a small piece of Van Gogh's Starry Night?
But I disagree on the importance of Earl Warren vs. Marilyn Monroe. If you pulled this card from a pack wouldn't you be the tiniest bit curious who he was? He's certainly a lot more significant historically than Marilyn or Elvis.

helionaut

I understand what you're saying, but chances are it's a problem you'll never have to deal with. Personally, I like the addition of prominent historical autos in certain sets, and this being a 1956-themed set, it's fine. Earl Warren is a key figure in the history of the 20th century, and if they put one of his signatures in this particular set, I can't complain. If a Team Topps Davey Johnson was the big pull in my case, then I'd be upset.

pandrews

<< <i>what next, own a small piece of Van Gogh's Starry Night? >>



i would rather have Van Gogh's Ear card..

personally, i think that Earl Warren is a great looking autograph, whether it's cut or not.. i collect cards, not documents, so I like the fact its an autograph on a card.. i'd love to have it..

ajw

Whoa. Hold on, guys. Do you know that it was a historical document that was cut for this signature? It could have been a check or the back of a restaurant receipt or something like that.

Personally, this is the one card I would have most wanted to pull. Not everyone knows who Earl Warren was, but everyone should. You can thank him for many of the rights that you now enjoy. He was a huge figure in the 20th century, even if many Americans don't know it.

I wish the card had a nice photo of him, but I do like the fact that the signature is fully visible, as opposed to some cards that have the "window" overlap some parts of the signature.

What a card.

CDsNuts

Yes, we are all experienced collectors who have a sense of American history and who the key figures are. I was speaking from the perspective of a kid who collects cards for fun and because they like baseball. I know when I was in my early teens, I had no idea who he was or what he did, and I certainly would have been a little miffed if he was the big pull in one of my boxes (remember we couldn't go and sell it on ebay in those days). And yes, kids should be educated about someone like Warren, but that's the job of our schools, not Topps. The point is, if these companies want to get/keep kids into collecting, make it fun for them. An autograph of a supreme court justice during the mid-20th century is not exactly what kids are saving their money to buy packs for. Hell, why don't they make a set of important historical figures and include these autographs as inserts. That way the folks who would value an autograph such as this would be the ones to pull it. I'd buy a box or two.

Lee

Onlypsahockey

I think heritage is geared toward us thirty/fortysomethingers...hence the Warren insertion.

I doubt many 13 year olds would even buy a pack of
this product.

JMO, Bob

ajw

Lee, I think you have be confusing your childhood collecting with today's kids. What percentage of Heritage packs will be sold to a kid who has no idea about cut autographs, their rarity and their value? The days of kids collecting spare change and riding their bikes to the corner store to open packs is long, long gone. Todays kids don't know or care who Earl Warren is, but they certainly know that any card with an autograph is valuable, or at least potentially valuable. Maybe they don't want the Warren card, but they know enough to sell the card and then they can plow the cash into buying more packs of cards. Kids do collect cards, but they do so with the rules of today's hobby. We've all seen them rip packs and leave all the cards on the counter when they don't get an insert.

It's a different world. And, juding from the number of Heritage posts, this is the one product that seems to be getting it right. I guess there's always something to complain about, but a cut auto card of a US Supreme Court Chief Justice should be about the last thing on the list, I'd think.

NickM

If you reached your teens without knowing who Earl Warren was, your schools failed you. It's OK to not know who Eddie Rickenbacker was (and 1956 doesn't really seem to be an important year for him - did Topps just have some signatures they didn't know what to do with?), but Warren was right up there in importance with many Presidents.

Nick

envoy98

I think heritage is geared for the older collector, not the kids anyway. However, the kid would be ecstatic first of all to even pull an autograph. You should see the little kids that pull cheesy autos out of my grab bags, they are enamored. They don't care who it is. Besides, once that kid dropped this little beauty on ebay, he could go buy all the Yu-Gi-Oh he wanted. I think he'd be happy. I see your point, but I think your underestimating the excitement of little kids. I started stuffing my grab bags with gu and autos (my odds are now 1:4, they were 1:10 or 20 but I put a little better stuff in then.) I just like seeing the kids grab 6 grab bags for $5 and pulling a couple gu or autos. That alone is worth it for me. They get sooo excited. I think the kids would go "...I got an auto! Who is it...who is it... Earl Warren???" Holy Crap is 1/1! We're rich! lol

Stone193

I posted the sale of the second 1/1 last night in the thread on grey/white backs. Very interesting card.

Has anyone spoken to people purchasing cards at Target, e.g.? I spoke to a guy in his late 20's today and he collects Chrome - FB and BB. The target audience of Heritage just may be different.

On the destruction of a document - I would bet that it was some frivolous letter of no historical importance or it would've be sold, as such, and Topps never would have had the chance to chop on it.

Your friend
Mike

CDsNuts

I guess I'm rethinking my stance on this whole historical figure auto's in heritage packs. After being out of the hobby for several years, I guess I'm still in the mindset that baseball cards are geared towards children, which clearly isn't the case with this product. I guess what I'm saying is that I can't really relate to the modern stuff (heritage included- please don't hate me) like I can with the older "simpler" sets. The fact that I had to look up "Yu-Gi-Oh" to see what the hell it is would prove that point. Seems like half the cards out are 1/1. I now get that the Heritage product is a focus on the year of the card design depicted in each set, and the autographs and inserts and such center around the time the original set was issued. I just thought it was Topps using the new players with the old design as a new gimmick. Sometimes when I look at new cards I get scared and confused. However, I still say tearing up the jerseys and bats is a crime against humanity, and the world, and history.

Lee

Stone193

<< <i>However, I still say tearing up the jerseys and bats is a crime against humanity, and the world, and history. >>


Lee
With that one, I'm with ya 100%

your friend
Mike

softparade

I have my 3 boxes !

joestalin

softparade...good luck

Topps felt that the only way to compete today is to offer some high end cuts cards. I think they missed the boat here. Heritage is proven, what
they should of done was get some better guys to sign and lower the real one auto odds.

Kevin

goudeygold

its all about the lottery payday of course!! I bet soon they will have redemptions for bars of gold and stuff. just more marketing, marketing, marketing. i really liked the presidential cuts though. that was pretty cool.

GG

joestalin

GG

You don't know what you are talking about..why not move on ok? The one thing makes heritage different is that it ISN'T a high dollar
lottery product.

I see a few cuts in a product as a bonus, no one is buying this stuff for just the cuts

Kevin

WinPitcher

so I'm 13 years old and decided to spend my hard earned



huh? what 13 year old do you know works? and if he/she does it sure as hell aint hard earned! lol

Stone193

<< <i>its all about the lottery payday of course!! I bet soon they will have redemptions for bars of gold and stuff. just more marketing, marketing, marketing. i really liked the presidential cuts though. that was pretty cool.

GG >>


Gold? GG...do we dare to dream?!

Stone193

<< <i>I have my 3 boxes ! >>


Dan
All my best!
Hope you pull that auto that never seems to find it's way to Mesa Blanca in San Antonio!

your friend
Mike

Twinsthreepeat

Your forgetting what Earl Warren is most famous, infamous for.


The Warren Report.

baseballcardsonly

<< <i>If you reached your teens without knowing who Earl Warren was, your schools failed you. >>



I would bet my collection that 80% of high school teens wouldn't know who he was...Hell, I bet my wife doesn't even know.

Sadly though, he will be remembered mostly as the person who screwed up the JFK assassination investigation. IMO

easttexascardsandgames

My wife is a history teacher and I had to give her several hints to her as to who Earl Warren was, it is something they just do not teach.

chicago111

wow, a history teacher did not know who he was. No offense to your wife. It just tells volumes about the american educational system.
100 bucks my wife wouldnt know either.

Stone193

<< <i>wow, a history teacher did not know who he was. No offense to your wife. It just tells volumes about the american educational system.
100 bucks my wife wouldnt know either. >>


Chicago
I'm going to ask my wife when she gets home? I don't know whether this info falls under general knowledge but the broad spectrum of general info that I would expect a HS grad to know is on the decline in some cases.

I remember Jay Leno, "on the street", asked a girl: "which is larger the sun or the moon?" and she replied:
"oh!! that's a trick question"...."the MOON!"...smile.