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OKbustchaserOKbustchaser Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Just as the title says...I don't get it. Most bust coins I have seen are if anything bumped up for great eye appeal--not penalized. This 1821 just jumps out at you. Grade??? NGC 61.


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Jim
Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.

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  • JrGMan2004JrGMan2004 Posts: 7,557 ✭
    image Looks a lot cleaner than 61!! Looks like a 63/64 to me... image

    Super strike too, so maybe 65?
    -George
    42/92
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks much better than MS61.
  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well struck, image
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hard to tell from the pics- Is there any rub on the coin? They might have bumped up a 58. I can't tell from the pics.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    It probably has friction/rub on it (and/or perhaps cleaning) that does not show in the images. For all we know, it is technically an AU58 that DID get a grade bump for eye-appeal.

    This is one of the many problems/difficulties in trying to grade based upon images, rather than viewing the coin in person.
  • coincollector1989coincollector1989 Posts: 856
    I will have to agree with everyone else here super nice strike, the only thing that bothers me is the nick or is that a streak on the jaw line its alittle distracting. Regrade canadate for sure.
    Stacy

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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Almost certainly a cleaned coin to be that old and that bright. So from a tecnical stand point it is only a AU coin. Thats the way I was taught gradeing, only proof coins where allowed to be diped with out the penality of losing the mint or proof status. I might be wronge but that was what I was told over twenty-five years ago.
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  • OKbustchaserOKbustchaser Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This coin is in the current ANR auction. I am not the consignor but I do know the coin. It is not a bumped 58. The only drawback I have ever been able to find are the slide marks that coincollector referred to. Even with the marks I firmly believe this is a strong 63 to 64. (And my bid refects that.)

    Jim
    Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Thats the way I was taught gradeing, only proof coins where allowed to be diped with out the penality of losing the mint or proof status. >>

    That is not the way most people currently view dipping (or have viewed it in the past). There are many business strike coins graded very high on the grading scale (as in MS67, for example) which have been dipped.
  • cdan12cdan12 Posts: 364
    send it to pcgs,they will make a au-55 out of it
  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭


    << <i>It probably has friction/rub on it (and/or perhaps cleaning) that does not show in the images. For all we know, it is technically an AU58 that DID get a grade bump for eye-appeal.

    This is one of the many problems/difficulties in trying to grade based upon images, rather than viewing the coin in person. >>


    You're sure you didn't grade this one when you were at NGC, Mark?image
    Seriously, it's a beauty and at least a 63, based on my non-expert opinion.image
  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    TTT pretty coin.image
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    au-62
  • DeadhorseDeadhorse Posts: 3,720 ✭
    Looks 63 from here, even with the slide/gouge marks across the obverse. But something else is odd here. What's going on with the reverse denticles at 8 o'clock?

    Doesn't look like that is from the toning. Again, from a picture it's hard to say. Could easily be artifacts from the photo, sure would be nice to have it in hand.

    Quite a striking coin, to be sure.
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  • Ed62Ed62 Posts: 857 ✭✭
    Saw the coin. Looks very nice !!
    Ed
  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,811 ✭✭✭
    This coin is not in my area of collecting.

    I like the looks of it alot. Great strike and love the color.

    From the pics it appears to better than a 61.

    If anyone can figure out the TPG's, please share. I certainly haven't figured them out yet.

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    etexmike
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    looks like a good candidate for an upgrade.
    maybe some big coin guys can buy it, re-submit it and have it bumped up a notch.

  • OKbustchaserOKbustchaser Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>looks like a good candidate for an upgrade.
    maybe some big coin guys can buy it, re-submit it and have it bumped up a notch. >>



    I hope not...I would really like for my bid to hold up.

    Jim
    Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭
    Ignore the grade and simply bid what it's worth to you.

    And by the way, it's a beautiful coin.

    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!

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