Your thoughts on this bust half

dtkk49a

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tsacch

Looks nice, but sight unseen I would prefer cert from known seller. I live near atlantic city and dont really gamble, so I sure wont do it on ebay with over $25 coin

Purple73

heh another board member has top bid

lordmarcovan

I like it. Didn't look at the price, though- just the coin.

greghansen

It looks nice to me, but I wouldn't trust myself enough to buy even a nice looking raw 1806 half. I'd rather pay up a bit for the comfort of 3rd party grading. If you know the series, I'd say go for it...but if you have to ask...maybe caution is warranted.

ARCO

The coin has a nice looking original antique silver look. The seller has a stellar feedback history. It seems there is a return privilege although it doesn't seem to be clearly spelled out. I might write the seller first and just clarify the condition of the coin; any strong hairlines, rim issues, etc., and the sellers return privilege if any. If the coin has any issues not described, it gives the buyer a little more validation in returning a problem coin sold without full disclosure.

In circulated condition the 1806 is not really scarce and I would feel comfortable buying raw (others here may not and that is fine). I am not that experienced grading the Draped bust halves and anything above VF I would probably prefer holdered.

If the coin in person looks like the scan and isn't hiding any large detractions like rim problems or medium to strong hairlines, it looks like a great coin to buy.

Tyler

DNADave

It's definately a fine, but I'm not convinced it would go VF. If I had the money I would bid comfortably bid $300.00.

rhedden

Um........ it's ugly and you shouldn't bid..... and it's a real common type that nobody wants.... too old to be collectible, really. I must have bid on it by accident.

DNADave

DNADave

<< <i>Um........ it's ugly and you shouldn't bid..... and it's a real common type that nobody wants.... too old to be collectible, really. I must have bid on it by accident. >>



Do you think it goes VF?

jdimmick

I like the coin, I see nothing that would deter me from this coin if I were looking for an 06 Half. There is a little disturbance just shy of 9:00 on the Obv rim, but I dont think its damage. Maybe a little uneveness.

Actually the coin would probably grade into the Vf-25-30 range???

DNADave

Check out Heritage past auction pics. Most or all VF's have more detail in the tail feathers, wing feathers and in the motto. VF IS a strech, maybe low VF on third or fourth submission.

jdimmick

Thier is a lot more to grading Bust coinage than detail alone.

Purple73

Using the ANA grading guide I come up with VG-8 to F12 .....It would be more like a VG10 if that is possible


***edited for vg10 not f10

DNADave

I only have 6 bust halves from 1803 to 1807 that grade from G to VG. One I crossed from PCGS VG10 to ANACS VG10. While I do "study" them some, I am not an expert. IMHO its a solid Fine with a shot at low VF, It's nice and worth a bid, heck the more I look at it the more I'm thinking about bidding. If I didn't already know that a member here was bidding, I would bid. That would be extreme 'poor form' to do so now.

ARCO

I would say the coin grades VF20-30. Like Jim says, Draped bust coinage takes some experience to grade as strike plays a huge factor.

Tyler

Purple73

Hey DNADave.....care to point out what makes it a strong fine rather than a midgrade like I thought? With a F-VF exacmple shouldn't there be more Drapery on the bust and the tail feathers show more?

The stars and date are very nice on this one.

CUEBALL

I think the coin grades VF-20.It is weak in areas such as the left side of the obverse,Breast and most of the reverse is weak but it is still a desirable coin IMHO. A lot of these draped bust are weak in those areas

Varlis

From these pictures, it isn't a bad looking VF. Now sit back and watch it bid up more than you're willing to pay . . .

DNADave

To go VF the coin needs:

more separation between the horizontal lines in the shield
More feather detail in the eagle's lower right wing
A more complete obverse rim
More of the motto needs to be visible (needs to be almost all there)
More detail in the lower tail feathers

On the plus side

There is nice detail in the nose, eye area
The reverse stars are well defined

Both of these indicate a better than usual strike but this coin is not VF.

Edited to add: Sorry purple, I thought for a sec you were supporting VF. Like some of the others have said, and I agree, there is more to grading these than just wear. This one does have a nice strike and I think would grade fine due to it. If this does did bid way up, somebody is going to be dissapointed with a TPG unless its NTC. Having said that, I'll say again it is a nice looking coin to me.

OnlyBuffalos

PCGS is a bit tougher on draped bust coins and I believe they would grade this coin Fine. They tend to follow Overton's definitions of fine and very fine grades. The obverse is very close to a VF20 but the reverse does not have half the details in the wing feathers and the shield lines are not distinct enough. I also believe PCGS would not like the rims/edges.

On the other hand, NGC and ANACS would likely grade the coin VF20.

rhedden

There is no chance in heck that this coin is a full VF. The obverse has VF-25 detail, but the reverse is VG-10. I don't care how it got that way- weakly struck or whatever- I wouldn't pay VF money for it, even in a slab. Its proper grade overall is F-15 IMO. I want to be able to read "E PLURIBUS UNUM" on the reverse to call one of these VF, even if it's a little weak.


P.S., this coin had a Buy It Now of $385 and I spoiled it by bidding on it. If the Buy It Now had been more reasonable, I'd own the coin right now.

Varlis

I still think the coin could go VF.

Compare:

PCGS VF-20

NGC VF-20

I agree that the coin is borderline, and I would worry about the rims, but I've seen plenty of halves that look like this in PCGS VF-20 holders. That of course doesn't mean we have to like it.

I like the color of the eBay coin better than the PCGS one I linked, but that could be Heritage's crappy picture.

DNADave

<< <i>There is no chance in heck that this coin is a full VF. The obverse has VF-25 detail, but the reverse is VG-10. I don't care how it got that way- weakly struck or whatever- I wouldn't pay VF money for it, even in a slab. Its proper grade overall is F-15 IMO. I want to be able to read "E PLURIBUS UNUM" on the reverse to call one of these VF, even if it's a little weak.


P.S., this coin had a Buy It Now of $385 and I spoiled it by bidding on it. If the Buy It Now had been more reasonable, I'd own the coin right now. >>



Finally, a voice of reason, I agree.

Purple73

<< <i>Edited to add: Sorry purple, I thought for a sec you were supporting VF. Like some of the others have said, and I agree, there is more to grading these than just wear. This one does have a nice strike and I think would grade fine due to it. If this does did bid way up, somebody is going to be dissapointed with a TPG unless its NTC. Having said that, I'll say again it is a nice looking coin to me. >>




No apology needed! I think the coin is Fine 12 at best. I also know that I grade hard. Others are right, there is alot to grading these half dollars. Alot that I don't know of. Best I can do is Look at the ANA grading guide and make a decision because that is all I know of this type of coin. It's fun grading coins and then seeing the outcome though. Quite the learning experience.

Nysoto

F15. The 1806 O.109 has a better strike than most 1806 halves, with nice hair detail. The wings are too worn for VF, the drapery lines are worn smooth, and the rims are worn. PCGS likes full dentilation, where possible, for VF. The VF 20 examples are of coins with weak centers, but full rims. The O.119 is epecially weakly struck, with a sunken reverse die started that causes the central reverse to wear rapidly. The E PLURIBUS UNUM is not always a good indicator of grade, as some die marriages are not legible even on MS coins.

Bill

jdimmick

As long as thier is no problems that are visible from the pic, such as the rim I mentioned, cleaning, etc, I am still thinking Vf-25. Maybe I am way off base based on some of the Bust coinage experts here, but Ill stick with my initial grade??

jim

Baley

Nice coin, thanks for the link, I'll be bidding