Has ANACS completely lost their minds?

Russ

Blatant AT garbage from Tonecoin2003 - graded PR66!

Normally, ANACS is pretty good at spotting AT. Were the graders passing around a bong when that one came in?

Russ, NCNE

Stuart

Russ: It sure is a pretty coin -- even if AT...

fountainheadgold

That sucks , now it just fuels the doctors

Betta285

The Constitution Dollar he is selling also has a very, very similar pattern...also holdered by ANACS

jim

TonedPeaceNut

Looks like he might have been in the mood for making some pretty BiCentennials --

Same seller has this one as well --




TPN

hedgehog847

Looks like someone covered it in oil baked it in an oven!

lordmarcovan

Hmm... I couldn't find the "who cares" emoticon...

Russ

He got a few past NGC for a while, until they caught on. Hopefully, ANACS will also wake up.

Russ, NCNE

ColonialCoinUnion

That makes me mad, but not so mad that I will yell loudly and wake my children. But pretty mad though.

RYK

That makes me mad, but not so mad that I will yell loudly and wake my children.

I'm with CCU. If he were selling copies of branch mint proof Morgans as originals or if it were a hijacked account selling 1856 Flyers to swindle some poor bargain-hunting sap's money, I would risk waking the kids. Obviously AT coins in an ANACS holder? Hardly gets the hairs on my neck to stand up.

Russ

Damnit, guys, he ruined a Kennedy!!!!!!

Russ, NCNE

Wondo

<< <i>Damnit, guys, he ruined a Kennedy!!!!!!

Russ, NCNE >>




Oxymoron!

lordmarcovan

flaminio

<< <i>Damnit, guys, he ruined a Kennedy!!!!!! >>

Kennedys are ruined upon striking.

Here's one more from the same seller:



Looks like the ez-bake oven was working overtime.

Nocerino18

ANACS have lost their minds, and they are thieves too. I sent them an 1864 L AU-50+ Indian Dark Chocolate colored. They sent me back an 1864 L VF 20 Light Colored. Then they said a swap is impossible at ANACS. BULL$&**&#

rb7557

ANACS have lost their minds, and they are thieves too. I sent them an 1864 L AU-50+ Indian Dark Chocolate colored. They sent me back an 1864 L VF 20 Light Colored. Then they said a swap is impossible at ANACS. BULL$&**&#

Do you have before and after pics? If so I would fight it. I have thought about buying a few nicely toned older quarters. But I couldn't tell at from nt if my life depended on it. So I shy away from em period.

Hell Russ don't worry about 1 lonely ol' kennedy, there's millions and millions more!!!

Myqqy

Damnit, guys, he ruined a Kennedy!!!!!!

Kennedys are ruined upon striking.

That pretty much says it all......

Wasn't anaconda showing off a toned coin not too long ago that looked like that dollar coin that flaminio showed?? Except everyone ooohed and aahed??

Melmcbee

I also couldn't tell an AT coin from a NT coin. I know it will take me years to learn even some of what all of you know, but the toning thing is rather confusing. Yes the colors on some are gorgeous. But on some threads I see a coin being slammed for AT and on other threads everybody likes it. I would love to buy some but I am afraid it will turn out AT. How do you tell? Thanks in advance.

northcoin

Simple. Only buy AT coins in PCGS holders.

TonedPeaceNut

Wow, what a change around here. I used to enjoy the "lynch mob, lets hang'em threads" or at least I thought this would generate some nice criticism of ANACS.

Oh well, I guess blantantly AT coins in reputable slabs has become old hat around here.


TPN

Coppernicus

"Shake and Bake - and I Helped!!"

Really, doesn't every 30 year old Kennedy tone up like that?

Mike

MAD4MORGANS

There is no indication of the coin's "toning" on the ANACS slab shown. Does ANACS normally indicate something concerning toning on others they grade?

Steve27

I wonder if the pics are accurate:

RYK

Wow, what a change around here. I used to enjoy the "lynch mob, lets hang'em threads" or at least I thought this would generate some nice criticism of ANACS.

Oh well, I guess blantantly AT coins in reputable slabs has become old hat around here.


I guess we have been inundated with threads of more serious crimes like two I suggested: selling relicas as authentic coins and stealing the images of someone else's auction to try to rip off an unsuspecting buyer.

I view selling ridiculously AT as a victimless crime. The buyer gets what he wants, and so does the seller.

BTW, is it possible to treat a coin such that it tones (artificailly) in a delayed fashion, such that the coin can be treated, submitted and slabbed, and then tone soon thereafter for sale?

ScarsdaleCoin

I guess that means we should move ICG into the #3 position for coin grading services!

weresteve

<< <i>Normally, ANACS is pretty good at spotting AT. Were the graders passing around a bong when that one came in? >>



So? PCGS has pulled the same boner before ... saw a dealer at the last silver dollar show in St Louis that popped $2,000 for a similarly toned common date ASE graded PCGS MS69.

Steve

Russ

<< <i>So? PCGS has pulled the same boner before ... >>



Yep, and if this guy lists one of these cook jobs in a PCGS holder, you'll see another thread from me pointing it out.



<< <i>I view selling ridiculously AT as a victimless crime. >>



Actually, it's not victimless. When a legitimate TPG holders blatant AT coins it hurts the toned coin market as a whole, thus causing the value of legitimate coins to drop. This hurts both the collectors and sellers of those coins.

Russ, NCNE

techeff

Damnit, guys, he ruined a Kennedy!!!!!!

keets

i guess i'm in the camp that doesn't necessarily think it's AT. i holdered two Kennedy's, i think they're 1978 and 1978-D, about a year ago that looked similar to this. they were bought from a local dealer who'd purchased a collection that had been in folders for quite awhile. the coins weren't all bullseye toners, it varied, with the 1978 and 1978-D being the nicest toned examples from the lot. maybe this coin is AT, maybe not, but it seems to be that the prevailing opinion of AT is based primarily on the seller. with all the incredibly toned coins hitting the market in the past 5 years, it tends to be a matter of who you are sometimes. i've seen coins that were blasted as AT which looked pretty much identical to those accepted as NT, based primarily on who the seller was or who the owner was.

you might get Franks opinion, FC57Coins, of the two i holdered. he has the 1978 which graded MS64, i kept the 1978-D at MS66 for my Modern Circ Set.

al h.

Nocerino18

No pictures of before on the 1864-L swap. They are plain and simple thieves. I sent them $5,000 in coins, this was only one of them. I called them and said I sent 2 bust dollars why the hell would I be complaining about a stupid 64-L Indian. I will never send them another coin in my life, and anyone that I ever see with an ANACS coin in my hand I will tell them the story about what thieves they are. In the long run it is going to hurt them a lot more than the swap hurt me. THIEVES

mr1931S

Today I received back some ANACS submissions made to them a few weeks ago.

The worst grade received was on a bust dime net graded to F12, VF details, because it is "bent." Well, bend is very minor but is there. Takes a very good eye to see the bend on this coin but they caught it.

Two toned Barber dimes received MS rating of 63 and 62. I was hoping for 64 (would have made the coin "worth" about $500 more) on the 63 but not at all unhappy with their assessment of 63. Okay, solid 63. The 62, a New Orleans minted coin, was a pleasant surprise for me since I thought they might call it AU. The New Orleans dime was a "is it a bit of strike weakness or is it wear?" call.

Three other circulated bust dimes were graded by them "right on," in my opinion. I have no reservations about sending them more of my coins for grading in the future.

morgannut2

To answer Melmcee's question, the way a lot of use tell is by taking nice Kennedys and cooking them with oil, eggs and unions, and all sorts of surfur componds. Why buy when you can ruin your own Kennedy!!!

Wolf359

I sent them an 1864 L AU-50+ Indian Dark Chocolate colored. They sent me back an 1864 L VF 20 Light Colored.

Same thing happened with my Darkly toned 1878 Morgan dollar VAM-44. Come back much, much lighter in color. Your coin, like mine, was dipped in something, not stolen. I think they wanted a clear view of the coin surface to see what was going on with it. Still...they should have asked first.

mr1931S

"Same thing happened with my Darkly toned 1878 Morgan dollar VAM-44. Come back much, much lighter in color. Your coin, like mine, was dipped in something, not stolen."

Steal? I find that allegation "beyond the pale."

Dip without permission? That's a remote possibility, I suppose, but I seriously doubt they would, or have ever done this.

Wrong coin sent to owner? Now we're in the realm of real possibility of what could, although rarely, happen.

I take the best images I can of every coin (worth more than twenty bucks) before I send it out. It doesn't matter who I send it to.

coinfreak499

It looks like Kennedy got hit with a paint ball....