'93 Ryan PSA 9 sells for $1225????

sprintcards

This card may be rare, but damn you can buy a really nice PSA 8 of his rookie for less than $1225!!! 1993 Ryan

Brian48

It's a damn ugly card too. A raw Clemens one sold for over $200 a while back as well. At 250 release count, it's certainly not as rare as some of the #d/25, #d/50, or even #d/100 that's flooding the market right now. I wouldn't spend that much money on it.

sprintcards

I just think that it"s crazy, but hey it's not my money!

ranger63

the buyer may have the cash but ill bet the seller doesnt have the card.

ydsotter

There are a lot of ryan colectors and once you have his entire run in a psa 8 or 9... whynot drop a dime plus on this rare, short printed card...

I was overjoyed to get the bernie williams refractor for under $25!

I am more in shock at seeing people drop thousands on dwanye wade and lebron rookies... sure, they are great... but wow!
Won't those rc's get more affordable real soon?

I remember seeing people drop nearly a grand on certain rookie cards from te 98-99 sets.

Anyways, I can't be critical of what other people spend... it's not stupidity... people who spend that kind of cash either have it or are infused with such intense passion for their collection... more power to them.

CDsNuts

I think the buying price is semi-legit, although I would have to say the centering should maybe get it a 9 OC. Think about these factors:

- The 93 Finest set was the first super-premium set ever released on a broad scale. i think they started at $15 a pack and quickly rose to $25 within a month or two. This will always stick in collectors minds (at least collectors from this era) and should give it legs for a while. Not to mention the fact that player collectors are swallowing the stars up and they're not nearly as easy to come by as they were 7 or 8 years ago.

- The 93 refractor set was the first parallel set with the print run released. There was only one per box, and not a whole lot of people had the coin to bust these badboys. If you wanted a particular player, you had to search for it. Believe me, I looked far and wide for a Mussina back when he was with the O's and not an evil traitor. Finally got one at a flea market of all places.

- I would say roughly 70% of these cards have refractor lines in them, which greatly reduces the visual appeal. That would leave only 75 of each card without a line. It was also a set that wasn't cut consistently leaving several cards OC. These are pretty tough to get centered without a line. I don't know how PSA adjusts their grading for a refractor line since I've never sent one in, but I would imagine they knock it down a grade.

- Ryan is maybe the most (but definitely top 5) collected baseball player as far as master collections go, and there can't be too many of these available anymore, much less in 9 condition.


While the price might seem to high on this one, I don't think it's that ridiculous.

Lee

bsfastball

That is actually a very cheap sale for that card. I've seen it sell closer to $2,000. Low population PSA 9 commons from this set can sell for over +$500 (Raines). I just sold a PSA 10 common for $610 link.

I love the set, and buy and sell actively (if anyone needs some PSA 9 commons, I've got a bunch).

First post mojo!

RipublicaninMass

The set registry is a beautiful thing. This ryan, rare as it may seems, is on the registry for the Ryan master set, if you want it, you gotta pay!

Futureman

I have a Sandberg PSA 9, and it has a few refractor lines. I've heard that refractor lines don't have an effect on the grade. By looking at my Sandberg, I believe it. It isn't plagued by lines, but it has one or two.

As for the print run, I've never heard exactly. People say 241 of each, and it seems to be accepted, but is it true? There are some that are said to be SP'ed (Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez), and I was wondering how people were able to determine which ones were SP'ed, especially if there isn't anything definitive out there.

Futureman

Uh, I hate to be a bother, but can anyone fill me in on how the 241 print run number was established as well as the SPs in the set?

ldferg

what is the difference in the colors of the refractors? i think the green ones have been referred to as parallels...is this correct? are they as rare?

thanks

bsfastball

The print run of 241 comes from a calculation based on a 1:18 refractor insert ratio. I guess the number of cases produced by topps was released? I don't think that the print run was ever confirmed by topps.

Futureman

ldferg, the green cards are of All-Stars. You'll notice the card design mentions something like, "Baseball's Finest All-Star." For players that were All-Stars the only cards available are the green cards. They're not variations, just a different design. The cards of Griffey, McGwire, Ryan, Ripken, Sandberg, Frank Thomas, Eckersley, Canseco, Strawberry, and others are some of the "All-Star" cards. I think they're the same as any other of the cards.

bsfastball, do you have a refractor of Bo Jackson or Carlton Fisk?

CDsNuts

Topps never confirmed the print run, but I would take a stab that it's 250. Not sure how the rumor about SPs got started, but I think maybe it was from a couple set builders who had trouble finding certain cards. The reason I say that 250 sounds right is that way back in 94 or 95 at the National convention in St. Louis, there was a dealer who had a set broken in which he was selling off the singles. This was right after they hit their 2nd price jump after falling off the charts for a little while. Anywho, I bought a bunch of semis and lower priced stars from him and asked when he put the set together. He told me he bought the set directly from Topps recently and showed the box it came in. I don't remember what it said, but something along the lines of Property of "Topps Chewing Gum Co." or something like that. He didn't give me a reason not to believe him, and I'm sure Topps keeps at least a few of each set they make in their vault. It just surprised me that they would sell a set like this out the back door.


Lee