Why did this 55 Topps Koufax close so low?
Crusader765
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Can't figure it out. Good feedback, NRMT+ condition minus 2 small pencil mark letters should equal at the very least a PSA3 which sells for an average of 154 according to the beckett ebay value guide. I wouldn't expect more than a psa 5, but that sells for an average of 290.
Of course it would be nice if there was a scan of the pencil marks, but still the seller's evaluation would have to be way off.
Can't figure it out. Good feedback, NRMT+ condition minus 2 small pencil mark letters should equal at the very least a PSA3 which sells for an average of 154 according to the beckett ebay value guide. I wouldn't expect more than a psa 5, but that sells for an average of 290.
Of course it would be nice if there was a scan of the pencil marks, but still the seller's evaluation would have to be way off.
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Centering is not very good as seller claims.
no paypal like stated above
NO SCAN of the back. If seller can't be trusted as to centering then why should anyone expect the writing on the back to be "small"
A PSA 4 goes for about that.
Of course these are my opinions. and can and do change from time to time.
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Ungraded, this card has sold for an average of 279, and I'd say this card has a good chance of being a midgrade and thus close to that value.
The seller probably wasn't commenting on the vertical centering, the horizontal centering is pretty good. But I've seen psa 5 and 6s of this card with equal or worse vertical centering.
Of course it all comes down to the back.
the centering is way off T/B and the corners don't look NRMT+
to me, maybe Ex+. Then you have the initials on the back. All you need now is the infamous undetected surface wrinkle.
This baby has 4 written all over it.
JMO, Bob
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It's pretty common for me to set reserves at half if not less than half of what I believe a card should be valued it.
In any case, I think we all agree the card is probably a psa 3, 4 or 5. Any of those would not be a bad grade at this price, unless you are looking to make a 100 dollars on one card. The vast majority of cards close at prices you can't expect to instantly increase your value at all with grading.
<< <i>True, but I bet barely, as there were only 5 bids. No paypal is not a good recipe for meeting a high reserve.
It's pretty common for me to set reserves at half if not less than half of what I believe a card should be valued it.
In any case, I think we all agree the card is probably a psa 3, 4 or 5. Any of those would not be a bad grade at this price, unless you are looking to make a 100 dollars on one card. The vast majority of cards close at prices you can't expect to instantly increase your value at all with grading. >>
Everyone is forgetting about the intials, a PSA 4MK or PSA3mk, you may do do as good. I am looking for a Koufax, would rather spend the extra hundred to have it graded already, or buy it in person.
Yep, but you probably aren't looking to add stock to an online store and sell it in the near future. If I was investing personally, I'd just buy graded too most of the time.
I would probably do no qualifiers on this though and eat the damage. I usually do unless it could get a very high grade.
140 just isn't a good close for psa 4 on ebay. The average is over 200, and that's just standard auctions, nevermind buy it now or a storefront.
In my experience, questionable psa 3, 4, or 5s often sell for the same or close to what solidly graded ones sell for. On naxcom for instance, any psa 4 is as good as any other when you sell at fixed prices.
If you look at completed ebay auctions and you find that one psa 4 sold for 170 and another for 235, more often than not, it's not because the 235 psa 4 was visually superior (unless there are qualifiers involved), it was because of seller feedback, auction options, timing etc.
<< <i>I would probably do no qualifiers on this though and eat the damage. I usually do unless it could get a very high grade. >>
If the card has a "foreign" mark, it will still be given the qualifier, similiar to the MC. I had a recent submission, specified "no qualifiers" and the only one I had a qualifier on was a PSA 7mk.
No it was a 4, albiet one that was not hi end for the grade. And at the time, on Ebay, 4's were selling for around that much. Not having hardly anything in the card the 140.00 was used towards this:
Also do you really think that Hi end cards for the grade do the same as those that are run of the mill? I beg to differ, True for the grade cards always go for more.
Steve
Also Ted is correct, cards that have writing on them will be qualified. And, while where at it buying Raw 55 Koufax's that the seller describes as NMNT (while card is EX+ at best) you get a price of 137.00
Shane
The seller left some money on the table by not describing the grade in the title (say Ex+ or ExMint) and a sub headline, nice eye appeal, would make a great display piece, small marking on the back.
Why not include a large scan of both the front and the back?
How do you determine what is high end or not in a graded card auction, particularly since most of the time you are only shown the front? If you are buying for yourself, that is one thing. If you like the way one psa 4 looks compared to another, then you should get the one you like, but there is no way you can determine from auction pages whether or not the psa grader was generous or not with regards to the many flaws there are. There are many people though who believe a psa 4 is a psa 4 no matter, and don't care if a card has a potential to be upgraded if graded over again. In any case, there is more to deciding on whether or not a card is a high end psa 4 than just its visual appeal that comes through on ebay.
Far more important are how the item is presented to buyers (though descriptions of the condition is not as important as raw cards) and the options they are given.
One of the highest selling PSA 4s went for 247.50:
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Is that really a high end psa 4? I guess the vertical centering is pretty good, but you can't even see the entire left side of the card in the scan. Luck in these auctions plays as big a part as anything.
It's hard enough determining what a wide range of psa grades a raw card would get when you are typically given more scans and info, nevermind trying to separate high end psa 4s from low end in graded auctions.
<< <i>In any case, I think we all agree the card is probably a psa 3, 4 or 5. >>
I don't. With the writing on the card, there's no possible way that card will get any of those grades (unqualified).
You're looking at a PSA 6 (MK) or maybe a PSA 7 (MK). With a no qualifer request, the best you'll get is a PSA 2. And, in my opinion, a PSA 2 would be way too generous. A card with writing on it should automatically be pushed down to a technical grade of Poor.
Now on to the questions at hand.
Crusader you asked for opinions why the card in your post got what it did. I simply gave mine. So now, in closing I still say that it was a decent price for a raw, written on and off centered card.
And yes your correct one may not know if a card is "hi end" when crappy scans are used. That is why when a seller has an example that he/she considers "hi end" that nice scans and great descriptions are used. And it is those auctions that in my opinion end for above average prices.
I also think the card I linked to just looks a lot better overall, but of course there is that mysterious mark.
But I'm glad you got that much for your psa 4....that makes a lot more sense. Though that was actually above average, so that kind of goes with my theory if it really was a low end 4.