Being charged 100 for shipping on ebay auction!

1979COLLECTOR · February 10, 2005 1:03PM

I recently bought a set of unopened 1984 cards on ebay for 300.00. Before the auction ended I emailed the seller and asked what price he would want for the cards if he sold it off of ebay..I was not asking him to end his auction early...just wondering what he wanted for the cards He replied saying that he would take 400 for the cards and I replied and said "ok"

Well when i won his aucion for 300 he billed me for 300 plus 100 shipping (as stated in his auction shipping would be only 9.99) I told him no way and his reply was "if you dont pay 400 then I cant guarantee the condition of the cards when they arrive to you!"

At that time I said that he could give me my first neg I refuse to pay after what he said...so he will prolly neg me in the near future for this.

Am i wrong for breaking my ebay auction contract with him over this.

sagard · February 10, 2005 1:06PM

Pay with PayPal and your credit card as your source of funds. He won't mess around with you then.

DirtyHarry · February 10, 2005 1:10PM

Like sagard said.

Motto - ride the auction and don't try to circumvent it.

Axtell · February 10, 2005 1:12PM

Didn't you agree to a selling price of $400?

Sounds like he was holding you to that price.

EagleEyeKid · February 10, 2005 1:38PM

Don't u luv it when this happens?Catch 22 situation. You were willing to pay $400 for the item.What if he was to end the auction? Would you have paid the $400 then? If so, then what's the difference here? The $ amount that was given to the seller from you probably made him salavate a bit and now it's branded in his brain regardless of what it ended at which is an embarrassing slap in the face to you for trying to circumvent and having it backfire. When did you email him to ask him for this price of $400? If it was less than 12 hours, he couldn't end it anyways (new ebay setup). I think you're both screwed on this one. It backfired on you, and I don't think he's going to
budge on the $400 price you gave you earlier on. See if you can somehow compromise on a price like $350. That's what I would do. Otherwise you both can swap negatives. Good luck.

Knuckles · February 10, 2005 1:39PM

I wouldn't pay him a cent. He may not neg you knowing full well he'll get it back. It's like he's blackmailing you.. Pay me the $100 for shipping or else.. Give me a break. I would get his contact info from eBay and give him a call. Tell him your not paying him sh!t and why or maybe you'll get lucky and his phone number won't work which is against eBay policy and his account will be terminated.

EagleEyeKid · February 10, 2005 1:44PM

Pay me the $100 for shipping or else
Knuckles, what I think he's trying to say here is it's equilvalent to $100 in shipping.

phone number won't work which is against eBay policy and his account will be terminated.

So let's say the buyer reports this to Ebay that the seller is trying to blackmail him or extort these ridiculous
funds. What if the seller reported the buyer for circumventing? I'm not defending either one. Both
are at fault here IMO.

pandrews · February 10, 2005 2:17PM

i'm lost.. buyer agreed to pay $400, now doesnt want to pay $400? did the seller end the auction early, or did the auction run its course?

EagleEyeKid · February 10, 2005 2:39PM

or did the auction run its course?

Ran its course and ended at $300

1967topps · February 10, 2005 2:42PM

take the negative and ask people to contact you about him

pandrews · February 10, 2005 2:45PM

<< Ran its course and ended at $300 >>

in that case, the seller has to stick with the S&H described in his auction.. report him to ebay..

denwd1 · February 10, 2005 3:25PM

seller is a dirtbag---what are you???

ctsoxfan · February 10, 2005 4:17PM

<< 

<< Ran its course and ended at $300 >>

in that case, the seller has to stick with the S&H described in his auction.. report him to ebay.. >>

This sounds correct to me. You agreed to $400, but he took a chance and tried for more by letting the auction run. He lost.

easttexascardsandgames · February 10, 2005 7:45PM

Reprt him as a non-selling seller, for changing his auction terms and having invalid contact information if his phone number does not work. All three of these can get a suspension Invalid Contact information is usually automatic suspension.

1420sports · February 10, 2005 8:36PM

Walk away ... one negative (or two) is highly overated.

kingraider75 · February 11, 2005 12:00AM

guess the seller thought he would get more than $400 or would have taken your offer and sold it offline. I would say that he should sell it for the $300 because he didn't end the auction early. If the auction had gone for $450 and you won( big assumption since your max was $400) would he have given you a break or reduced the price to $400, hardly! Seller should pay the original $310 off the auction and see what happens. If it's a wax box, odds are that many cards are already damaged due to gum anyways.

Axtell · February 11, 2005 12:45AM

I just don't get the buyer's problem here.

The buyer offered to pay $400 for the cards. The seller agreed, but there were already bids in, so the auction ends at $300, now the buyer is trying to back out of his verbal agreement?

I'd say the buyer is completely at fault here.

stevek · February 11, 2005 1:02AM

If the seller did not end the auction early, then your $300 winning ebay bid plus $9.99 shipping is what should be paid. The seller is wrong here.

larryallen73 · February 11, 2005 1:20AM

I think the seller sounds like a jerk... but I also am curious what exactly buyer said in his email to Seller. Was it an offer to pay $400? Was it just a question? If the latter, why? Who cares? Doesn't make any sense to just ask how much but then not intend to pay it. I think someone upabove said it best, let the auction run it's course. My first read of this, without knowing the buyer, is that you wanted to end it early for a good deal. The auction ended for cheaper than your good deal price. Personally I hate people asking me to end my auctions early. Would be interesting to see if the components of a contract are there at $400? Offer? Acceptance? Sounds like there could be a contract. Let's call Wopner!

Axtell · February 11, 2005 2:28AM

Sounds like they had a binding verbal agreement for the buyer to pay $400. The auction ended, and the buyer thinks he should pay less.

If I were the seller, I'd tell the buyer to forget about it and relist, and give neutral feedbacks on both parts.

Buccaneer · February 11, 2005 2:54AM

<< set of unopened 1984 cards >>

I am curious. What unopened set from 1984 would go for $300/$400 (depending on your perspective)?

RipublicaninMass · February 11, 2005 3:01AM

fleer update

kingraider75 · February 11, 2005 3:11AM

1984 Topps Football wax maybe?? I don't think those get that high though on Ebay.

EagleEyeKid · February 11, 2005 3:24AM

I think (pretty sure) it's this one.
Since his avatar is hockey and he mentioned unopened set; this ended recently with a 9.99 s/h as he stated with a final bid of exactly $300.

easttexascardsandgames · February 11, 2005 4:30AM

The seller is in the wrong here under Ebay's terms.. He cannot adjust terms of his auction after the listing has eneded. This can get him suspended as a seller on Ebay and should be reported..

pandrews · February 11, 2005 4:42AM

how is it "unopened" if he has ray bourque in a topload?

pandrews · February 11, 2005 4:44AM

at least the seller has good feedback.. heh..

boggs301012 · February 11, 2005 4:51AM

I dont see what the dramma is about. The seller didnt sell it off ebay or end the auction early . If he had then 400.00 to the door. The seller failed to end it early and he should charge the shipping stated in the auction .

phreakydancin · February 11, 2005 5:01AM

<< how is it "unopened" if he has ray bourque in a topload? >>

I believe those are examples of cards inside, not the actual cards.

<< If the seller did not end the auction early, then your $300 winning ebay bid plus $9.99 shipping is what should be paid. The seller is wrong here. >>

stevek, you are spot on.

EagleEyeKid · February 11, 2005 5:51AM

I wasn't even aware that 84 OPC hockey could come like that.
This is the first I've ever seen it in that form with the cello wrap and
sold in set form. Is this for real or did the seller just wrap it like that
and make up the rest?

WinPitcher · February 11, 2005 6:31AM

Sounds like they had a binding verbal agreement for the buyer to pay $400. The auction ended, and the buyer thinks he should pay less.

With that logic then what if someone else bidded 500.00 is the seller then obligated to sell it for 400.00?? The seller didn't end it early, the auction ran its course. Sounds like no meeting of the minds to me <cough>

1979COLLECTOR · February 11, 2005 6:43AM

Guys, I never agreed to 400, I simply asked him what would he be willing to sell the cards off of ebay for (curious of his reserve) and he said maybe 400 and I replied: "ok" not an ok end the auction so i can buy the cards for 400 just a simple easy "ok" I just wanted to know this.

His reserve was actually 300 and that was my highest bid, days later the auction ended and I won the auction. Nobody else bid on the cards.

This is a factory cello set of cards so the cards should be nm-mt - mint

I told the seller that i will not pay the 400 but the 309.99 I agreed to in the auction

The seller then said he could not be held responsible for the condition of the cards when they arrive to me

When the seller told me this I said no deal im not paying you anything!

Thats pretty much where it is at now....this seller wont stop emailing me either saying he is going to contact my local police dept and ebay for me not paying him 400.

dallasactuary · February 11, 2005 7:05AM

<< ....this seller wont stop emailing me either saying he is going to contact my local police dept and ebay for me not paying him 400. >>

ebay can be pretty weak coming down on violators, but I have got to believe that if ebay finds out about this guy's extortion attempt, he's looking at NARU. If I were you, I'd stop all contact with him immediately and forward all of his e-mails demanding $100 shipping to ebay now.

WinPitcher · February 11, 2005 7:21AM

(curious of his reserve)

that is what I had thought..........

the police? what they gonna do? laugh at this clown?

pandrews · February 11, 2005 8:01AM

<< at least the seller has good feedback.. heh.. >>

denwd1 · February 11, 2005 9:04AM

the seller is wrong---he should sell you the cards at $309.99 plain and simple, if as you said in your second post you did not make him an offer.this seller is a jerk--take a negative --he'll probably damage the cards on purpose.then leave him a negative and report to ebay ---send ebay a copy of his email asking for $100.00 shipping

easttexascardsandgames · February 11, 2005 9:18AM

Sounds like they had a binding verbal agreement for the buyer to pay $400. The auction ended, and the buyer thinks he should pay less.

That is beside the point, had he canceled the auction then yes it would have been a verbal agreement, BUT he let the auction run on Ebay and under Ebay rules the seller CANNOT change the TOS after the auction is complete. The binding contract is the one that is listed on Ebay.

EagleEyeKid · February 11, 2005 9:22AM

if as you said in your second post you did not make him an offer.this seller is a jerk--take a negative --he'll probably damage the cards on purpose

Yea, I agree. This transaction is doomed. I think it's kind of funny how he stated he cannot guarantee
that it will arrive in the condition stated. What the hell is that suppose to mean? It's a subtle threat of
sorts. Neg him and take the negative like a man. Report him to ebay and move on. Hope you kept his email/reponse to share with Ebay.

Mac53 · February 11, 2005 9:44AM

It's a threat alright, but it's not subtle. But, frankly, I can see the seller's point of view. Buyer asked for a number, seller gave a number, buyer said "ok." From the point of view of the seller, it would have sounded like a contract. That's how it sounds to me, too. The buyer may not think he agreed to buy for $400, but when he said a simple "ok" after asking for, and getting, a price, it seems quite a bit like a contract to me. Whether the seller ended the auction or not is irrelevant to the contract between the buyer and the seller. The seller might have had another contract to deal with if someone would've outbid the buyer, but no one did, so it's only speculative anyway. Whether or not the seller broke the ebay rules is between the seller and ebay, and is also irrelevant to the contract between the buyer and the seller.

goudeygold · February 11, 2005 9:54AM

I wouldn't pay for the item period. Take the negative, screw it. Like I said before 100% positive feedback is overrated. Saying you had a "verbal" agreement to $400, is beside the point. point is the auction ran its course and you got it for 310. However, This idiot WILL damage the cards, and you can't NEG him then because he will hold feedback until he gets a positive from you. Either way your getting your negative. So take the negative and forward your emails to ebay to contest the non paying bidder warning. You would be foolish to take a negative AND be out $310 AND get damaged cards.

plenty of idiots, only so much time.

GG

easttexascardsandgames · February 11, 2005 9:59AM

I agree either way you are going to get negged in this.. Report them as a non-selling seller and do not neg them... Wait until day 89 and 23 hours and 59 minutes to neg him. That way he most likely will not be able to respond with one of his own.

stevek · February 11, 2005 12:14PM

I'm completely on the buyer's side here as being 100% right and I believe his story. I don't use a sniping service so I have to snipe myself. Sometimes on certain nights there may be a number of auctions I'm looking at and I only have limited time and a budgeted amount of money. So if there is a reserve, sometimes I'll e-mail the seller and ask what the reserve is so I can know whether or not to waste my time on that auction.

Even if the prospective buyer made a firm offer, which he says he didn't make a firm offer, the seller's actions of not ending the auction early basically shows his non-acceptance of any offer. The other posters here are correct in that this seller can get thrown off of ebay for this - and rightly so!

Mac53 · February 11, 2005 12:37PM

I've decided that the buyer is really a law school professor testing an exam question.

metsfan · February 11, 2005 11:48PM

The way I read this: the buyer said "ok" which sounds like he accepts the price of $400. The seller did not end the auction early,so he must not have accepted the offer. The buyer shold have said something like "I will try to win the auction". The word "ok" sounds like he is accepting an offer.
But the seller never ended the auction,so the buyer is in the right. This is a situation that could have been easily avoided.

wick70 · February 12, 2005 12:42AM

I'd risk the neg by not paying and forwarding his e-mails to Ebay. I think I would rather have a neg in my feedback claiming I didn't pay for an item rather than paying $310 and getting a set of "mint" cards that were "dropped" on the floor prior to being packaged. Sellers have been shut out of Ebay for less than this. Don't pay the guy at all, there's no guarantee on what condition you will receive your cards. My opinion.

Wick

WinPitcher · February 12, 2005 1:40AM

day 89 and 23 hours and 59 minutes to neg him. That way he most likely will not be able to respond with one of his own.

Fallacy

ydsotter · February 12, 2005 6:45AM

Just walk away.

Being charged 100 for shipping on ebay auction!

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