Two colorfully toned Frankies - which did PCGS bodybag and which did they grade?

Russ · February 7, 2005 10:10AM

1952-D

1954:

Or, did they bodybag both? Grade both?

Russ, NCNE

Coinhusker1 · February 7, 2005 10:12AM

I'll guess that they graded both.

FC57Coins · February 7, 2005 10:14AM

The 52D is one of those TOO NICE coins - too symetrical - too many pretty colors. The 54 I've seen that pattern from albums - so no to the 52D yes to the 54.

clw54 · February 7, 2005 10:15AM

Bodybagged the 1954.

Graded the 1952 MS64.

Just guesses, I don't really know.

CoinAddict · February 7, 2005 10:17AM

I agree with Frank. The 1952 was bodybagged and the 1954 was graded.

ldhair · February 7, 2005 10:18AM

52D AT 64-65FBL
54 real 64

DHeath · February 7, 2005 10:19AM

The 52-D has some pretty ugly looking stuff on the scalp, IMO. Don't know what PCGS said, but I wouldn't think NT if I saw it in a flip. JMO

RGL · February 7, 2005 10:21AM

Toning transition looks off on the second, that's the bag...

Russ · February 7, 2005 10:21AM

<< The 52-D has some pretty ugly looking stuff on the scalp >>

Don,

It's a Frankie. The whole portrait is ugly!

Russ, NCNE

marmac · February 7, 2005 10:21AM

at first I thought bb the 54, after a closer look I saw both bb, but what the hell do I know....

DHeath · February 7, 2005 10:22AM

Point taken.

Bear · February 7, 2005 10:23AM

52-D MS-66 OK

54-D BB

FC57Coins · February 7, 2005 10:24AM

<< The 52-D has some pretty ugly looking stuff on the scalp >>

Don,

It's a Frankie. The whole portrait is ugly!

Russ, NCNE

Point taken

>>

Both of you can BITE ME

Steve27 · February 7, 2005 10:26AM

If they didn't BB the 52-D, let me know so I can make a few to send in. Both look AT, but the 54 looks "market acceptable."

darktone · February 7, 2005 10:35AM

both were bagged.

DNADave · February 7, 2005 10:43AM

Would you like those in paper or plastic?......bags that is.

kryptonitecomics · February 7, 2005 10:49AM

1st coin...OK.....2nd coin...BB, honestly both look ok to me and the first has the more vibrant toning which would lead one to believe it got the BB. Using my reverse physiology I employ on my children...that means #2 with more laid back even tones is the BB

Myqqy · February 7, 2005 10:51AM

I would also guess that both got bagged.....

dtkk49a · February 7, 2005 10:51AM

52D - Bagged
54 - PCGS MS64

ibzman350 · February 7, 2005 10:54AM

My WAG 52-D MS-65

54-D Bag

Herb

Bustman · February 7, 2005 10:54AM

I'll go out on a limb and say they both graded.

DMWJR · February 7, 2005 10:58AM

52 graded, 54 bagged

MrWarmaker · February 7, 2005 11:05AM

I say they both got bagged

100proof1957 · February 7, 2005 11:12AM

65 no FBL and a BB

Russ · February 7, 2005 11:25AM

I suppose I should post the answer before I head home for the evening. Frank nailed it right out of the gate (no surprise there!).

They bodybagged the 1952-D and graded the 1954 MS64FBL.

Russ, NCNE

clw54 · February 7, 2005 11:40AM

That's what I meant to say, Russ.

Russ · February 8, 2005 3:12AM

Bump in case anybody missed the answer, (and Frank's brilliant assessment), last night.

Russ, NCNE

Heywood · February 8, 2005 5:39AM

I was going to say bb the 52 and ms-64 the 54 ( Yeah sure you were)

The 54 doesn't look FBL to me, the area right above the "F" looks flat, is that just in the picture?

MadMonk · February 8, 2005 5:43AM

I might guess both were body bagged. Definitely not Mint Set colors for those years.
The reverse on the 52 almost looks legit, but again, hard to tell from a photo.
The 54 is a possible album piece, but still makes me nervous not being able to hold it in my hand.

Russ · February 8, 2005 5:44AM

<< The 54 doesn't look FBL to me, the area right above the "F" looks flat, is that just in the picture? >>

It's FBL, both coins are. If they graded, I was hoping for 65FBL on both. As usual for Frankies and me, PCGS went a point lower.

Russ, NCNE

Prethen · February 8, 2005 5:49AM

Okay...throw me a bone here. Give me some idea how someone realistically gave that 1952 the coloration it has. I'm like a bunch of others here and thought it looked pretty natural (for a beautifully toned coin). Plus, what diagnostics do the TPG's use to make it a relatively easy task to definitively rule out NT?

Heywood · February 8, 2005 5:59AM

but do you agree that the picture doesn't look FBL, or am I missing something obvious?

The 52-d in a white/ light tone 65 FBL is about 50- what would you expect that coin to bring for a cool toning bonus?

What about the 54?

MadMonk · February 8, 2005 6:02AM

There a a lot of coins labeled FBL that don't look FBL. Remember that if paying a premium for the designation, it better be solid!

Russ · February 8, 2005 6:12AM

<< but do you agree that the picture doesn't look FBL, or am I missing something obvious? >>

Some shadowing in that area. It's not a "crisp" FBL, but it's there for the designation.

<< The 52-d in a white/ light tone 65 FBL is about 50- what would you expect that coin to bring for a cool toning bonus?

What about the 54? >>

Actually, the '52-D in 65FBL is more like a $200 coin. The 1954 in MS65FBL would be the less valuable of the two. Had they both graded 65FBL, I figure the '52-D would have brought in the $350 to $400 range and the '54 around $200 or so.

Russ, NCNE

SanctionII · February 8, 2005 6:19AM

AT or NT, who cares, those are two Franklins that are brimming over with eye appeal.

In general any frankie other than a CAM/DCAM proof is not a very attractive coin. However there are exceptions to the general rule and one exception is MS Franklins with toning such as those pictured by Russ.

Two colorfully toned Frankies - which did PCGS bodybag and which did they grade?

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