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Opinions Please: Should I ask for a regrade on this 82 Topps Traded Ripken...

fsjeterfsjeter Posts: 1,390
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or be happy with the 5. There are a couple of print dots on the front and the back is OC approx. 90-10. The corners and edges are all sharp. The register is a little off on the front but the scan isn't all that great either. I wasn't expecting a 9 or a 10, but a 5 seemed a little harsh. image

Sorry about the poor scan.

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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
    FS
    Did you check real close for a tiny "production" wrinkle - may be on the back. Was this a new member
    sixer? Some theorize they are tougher but I don't think so.

    your friend
    Mike
    Mike
  • DataDriven05DataDriven05 Posts: 164 ✭


    Edited because Mike beat me to the punch. It has to be a surface wrinkle
  • fsjeterfsjeter Posts: 1,390
    <<Was this a new member sixer?>>

    No, I'm still holdin' the ones from my September renewal. I'll be sending them in shortly. image

    Scott
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    1988-89 Fleer BK PSA 10
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  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭

    No doubt about it,
    it's got to be one of those dreaded, very light surface wrinkes.

    Pay no attention to the number on the slab, it's a nice looking card nonetheless. image


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  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭

    Hey !

    Stone and DataDriven05 beat me to the punch ...



    Pix of 'My Kids'

    "How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
  • fsjeterfsjeter Posts: 1,390
    Damn, I gotta get a loupe!!! image

    Thanks guys!

    Scott
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    1967 Topps BB PSA 8 & up
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    1976 Topps FB PSA 9 & up
    1981 Topps FB PSA 10
    1976-77 Topps BK PSA 9 & up
    1988-89 Fleer BK PSA 10
    3,000 Hit Club RC PSA 5 & Up

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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here borrow mine!

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    Mike
  • mudflap02mudflap02 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭
    No loupe about it - as you pre grade, tilt them in a bright light, front and back. Grade and set aside.

    Repeat a week later.

    repeat a week later.

    Now submit.
  • rjdrjd Posts: 55 ✭
    I have had the same thing happen a few times, usually a surface dent. Maybe very hard to see except with bright light amd my reading glasses. Bob
  • dallasactuarydallasactuary Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No loupe about it - as you pre grade, tilt them in a bright light, front and back. Grade and set aside.

    Repeat a week later.

    repeat a week later.

    Now submit. >>




    I agree. Maybe I just need more practice, but 10X magnification makes every card look riddled with hills and valleys to me. Once I started using the tilt-under-a-bright-light method my average grade on my submissions shot way up.
    This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    That would have been a great "Guess the Grade" card lol. Got to be the best looking 5 I have ever seen.
  • A761506A761506 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭
    I hate the harsh reduction for a nearly invisible wrinkle. I can't see why a card that looks like this would be less valuable than a card with fraying corners that is off-center 20/80 and gets a 6 or 7. I figured a PSA 8 on this Williams... but the slightest surface wrinkle, which took me several minutes to even discover while tilting it around in sunlight, causes it to be a 5, which for all intensive purposes is worthless on this card.
    Don't waste money resubmitting to PSA, that grade isn't going to change.

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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    The dreaded surface wrinkle strikes again - I agree, the best way to make sure your cards don't have any is to hold it under a bright lamp at a slight angle, so the light almost reflects off of the surface. I got back a handful of cards EX 5 a while back that looked beautiful because I did not do this. Good point though - should this factor automatically make the card a 5?
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  • BuccaneerBuccaneer Posts: 1,794 ✭✭
    And this, gentlemen, is my main beef with grading. Obvious eye-appeal flaws like centering and corners are not penalized as much as microscopic flaws like a hard-to-detect surface wrinkle. That is BS, imo. Nothing cries out more in "buying the card, not the holder" than stuff like this. Just take a look at all of those diamond-cut 70-30 PSA 8s and you're telling me that such a card is 3x the magnitude of a better centered/cornered card with a tiny wrinkle (with its 2-3 pt penalty) that can't be seen once under plastic?
  • goudeygoldgoudeygold Posts: 701 ✭
    Yea the wrinkle curses!! But remember the registration is off,the front centering is off, and the back centering is 90/10. Thats pretty OC on the back, and when you add a little wrinkle, your defaulted to EX. Frustrating yes, but still a sharp card from the 80s.

    GG
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Actually GG, it's my understanding you default to EX 5 with a surface wrinkle alone - the other factors are irrelevant at that point.
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  • fsjeterfsjeter Posts: 1,390
    <<and the back centering is 90/10. Thats pretty OC on the back,>>


    Just so there is no confusion about the reverse here is a scan of the Ripken. I think the back centering had next to nothing to do with the grade. If i hold it at a certain angle, I can see a surface wrinkle along his back, under the "Ripken." I also included the reverse of a 76 Topps Plunkett. Take a guess at what the grade on that one is! image

    Scott

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    1981 Topps FB PSA 10
    1976-77 Topps BK PSA 9 & up
    1988-89 Fleer BK PSA 10
    3,000 Hit Club RC PSA 5 & Up

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  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    While we're on the subject of surface wrinkles, what do you all think of the
    close relative dust prints? These are the pin dot size indentations on the card's
    surface. I was told that you get these from dust settling on the printer's plate,
    or from other crud settling on the card and then compressed while in the pack
    to form these dents. Do these drop the grades down as much as the surface wrinkles?
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