If I read this correctly, you bought a coin from eBay, paid for the item with a personal check that you sent through the U.S. Postal Service. Recieved the item that was allegedly misrepresented through advertising as a legal description for auctioned goods. Sent the coin back via the U.S. Postal Service as per the advertised return policy and/or documented electronic correspondence. And now, the individual is threatenning to refuse refund pending further conditions not previously agreed to nor advertised.
I go into threads to see who to stay away from, but for the most part see alot of whining and complaining that eBay won't do this or eBay won't do that. For the most part, it is not eBay's responsibility to do anything. They are a venue. Their only obligation they really haver is to ensure that they do not become a knowing party to illegal activity. If you bought the coin from a store front, would you put up with this? I very seriously doubt it. And I am sure that you would tell everybody you came across that wanted to buy at that store or you thought may want to about your experience as well as the name and location of the store.
Personally, I believe you should do the following:
1) Notify the seller of his responsibility to abide by his written and ammended agreements with you. 2) Notify the seller that if he refuses to (without further obligation in the matter), then you will do the following: a) Report his activities to eBay inclusive of false advertisement, mail fraud, and extortion/balck-mail and request his removal from the venue services. b) Report the matter along with evidences to the U.S. Postal Inspector for mail fraud. c) Report the matter along with evidences to the Attorney General of his state for false advertising, mail fraud, extortion/black-mail, and possibly operating a business without proper licensing or tax reporting. d) Report the matter along with evidences to the Attorney General of your state for false advertising, mail fraud, and extortion/black-mail. e) Report the matter along with evidences to the local law enforcement of his area for mail fraud and extortion/black-mail f) Open a small claims lawsuit IN YOUR DISTRICT against him for full amount of your payment PLUS the retail amount of the coin that had been advertised PLUS court costs. g) Leave negative feedback on eBay. 3) Notify the seller that he has 72 hours to acknowledge reciept of your correspondence and to remit proof that your refund has been sent. 4) If the seller continues to refuse to refund your money, then do 2a-2g after the 72 hours are over.
Everybody should utilize the government resources available to us. There are government inspectors and agencies for a reason, but if we never use them, then these kinds of "businessmen" will roam rampant. Sure, it sounds like alot of work, but if you are apathetic about this kind of activity then all I can say is you definitely deserve it then.
Best of luck.
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Personally, I believe you should do the following:
1) Notify the seller of his responsibility to abide by his written and ammended agreements with you. 2) Notify the seller that if he refuses to (without further obligation in the matter), then you will do the following: a) Report his activities to eBay inclusive of false advertisement, mail fraud, and extortion/balck-mail and request his removal from the venue services. b) Report the matter along with evidences to the U.S. Postal Inspector for mail fraud. c) Report the matter along with evidences to the Attorney General of his state for false advertising, mail fraud, extortion/black-mail, and possibly operating a business without proper licensing or tax reporting. d) Report the matter along with evidences to the Attorney General of your state for false advertising, mail fraud, and extortion/black-mail. e) Report the matter along with evidences to the local law enforcement of his area for mail fraud and extortion/black-mail f) Open a small claims lawsuit IN YOUR DISTRICT against him for full amount of your payment PLUS the retail amount of the coin that had been advertised PLUS court costs. g) Leave negative feedback on eBay. 3) Notify the seller that he has 72 hours to acknowledge reciept of your correspondence and to remit proof that your refund has been sent. 4) If the seller continues to refuse to refund your money, then do 2a-2g after the 72 hours are over.
It's always nice to find someone just as nasty and bitter as me!
<< <i>Personally, I believe you should do the following:
1) Notify the seller of his responsibility to abide by his written and ammended agreements with you. 2) Notify the seller that if he refuses to (without further obligation in the matter), then you will do the following: a) Report his activities to eBay inclusive of false advertisement, mail fraud, and extortion/balck-mail and request his removal from the venue services. b) Report the matter along with evidences to the U.S. Postal Inspector for mail fraud. c) Report the matter along with evidences to the Attorney General of his state for false advertising, mail fraud, extortion/black-mail, and possibly operating a business without proper licensing or tax reporting. d) Report the matter along with evidences to the Attorney General of your state for false advertising, mail fraud, and extortion/black-mail. e) Report the matter along with evidences to the local law enforcement of his area for mail fraud and extortion/black-mail f) Open a small claims lawsuit IN YOUR DISTRICT against him for full amount of your payment PLUS the retail amount of the coin that had been advertised PLUS court costs. g) Leave negative feedback on eBay. 3) Notify the seller that he has 72 hours to acknowledge reciept of your correspondence and to remit proof that your refund has been sent. 4) If the seller continues to refuse to refund your money, then do 2a-2g after the 72 hours are over. >>
What he said, this is like someone re-raising you in poker, you either fold or raise over the top. Raise over the top and make him fold.
<< <i>received the coin today. as i indicated in this e-mail to you i have requested positive feedback for the transaction since i gave you the same and the transaction has really been cancelled. upon receipt of that i will issue refund (do you want check or paypal?). if possitive feedback is not left i will return the coin to you and consider the sale final. i was not under any obligation to cancel this sale but have done so to make you happy but will not risk negative feedback >>
As far as I'm concerned, requesting only positive feedback is identical to requesting "no neg or neutal FB." Either one is equivalent and imo is extortion. This is just semantics.
Fivecents, please link the Ebay transaction so we can see if you have a leg to stand on regarding a return privilege (without having to agree to his blackmail)?
Thanks for all the generous offers of reimbersment from all the board members, but I will decline the offers and strike it up to school of hard knocks. The seller said he would return the coin to me.....I am not going to hold my breath.
Paul, I'd recommend reminding/warning him one last time that you have no obligation to leave feedback of any type, that he agreed to refund part of your purchase price and that if he does not do so you will forward his correspondences to Ebay. Let him decide what trouble that might cause him.
If he then refunds part of your $, great. If he keeps your coin, he risks trouble with the postal inspector and Ebay. And if he returns the coin to you, you can re-sell it and be done with it. One way or another, put it behind you.
Thanks Mark will do. He has already stated that if he gets kicked of ebay so be it. ebay auction link The misrepresentation of the auction was in the discription it stated "unbelievable for the date PR66Cameo" this coin has NO cameo on the reverse whatsoever. The date of 1956 is one of the easiest and nicest cameo quarters in the series.
Paul, while I don't agree with his tactics regarding getting a refund, in this case he sold a PCGS PF66CAM quarter and that is what you got. I would have him send the coin back to you and leave no feedback.
The seller does not have a refund policy. In my opinion the seller did you a favor by taking the coin back and does not want to ruin his 100% rating. Not refunding the full amount is kind of scumbagish. If he proposed something like that to me I would have just kept the coin. By returning the coin you caused yourself a mini war and incurred a monetary lose. You paid to send the coin back, and lost a chunk of the purchase price. You came out the loser. Now you have no coin and lost almost $20 for nothing.
This sounds like a case of buyers remorse to me. The coin was as described and I think you should complete the transaction, and quit complaining. If you don't like the coin re-sell it.
Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
Without knowing the initial email content asking for a return, I will say that a seller agreeing to a refund (even if one wasn't stated) then keeping 25% (not just shipping fees) and threatening to send the coin back unless I posted positive (rather than "no" feedback which is what I would have done had I been the buyer), would get a neg from me. If he sent the money back, after all this, it would either be NO feedback or neutral (since I would have gotten it), but I don't do well to be extorted or threatened
Edited to add (now that I have been able to look at the auction): I still would neutral someone who tries to threaten me But, that 25% is partially the $5 and then he is probably adding a few more bucks for the "effort" to refund the money. The seller knew how to play with lighting for his pics I think........
Also, no refund stated...if I didn't ask beforehand, then I would likely not bid...if I did bid, I would do it with the thought of eating the coin/loss if I didn't like it (although, it wouldn't stop me from mentioning I didn't like the coin and would be ok with a return/refund).
The seller and I have worked everything out and I am going to leave him a positive and receive a refund. I finally calmed down and emailed him and talked to him calmly like an adult and he in return also calmed down and acted like an adult. I guess once the comunication breaks down between the emails things can quickly get out of control. I took (KAZ6) Eric's advice and told him to send the coin back and I would leave no feedback and that he had my word on that. He emailed me back and said he would send me a refund with a resonable restocking fee. I email him back and told him thanks and that positive feedback has been left.
Sorry about airing my dirty laundry here on these boards, but frankly the seller blindsided me with his demands of leaving a positive feedback or no refund. I try to get along and be resonable with people, because $40.00 is NOT WORTH THE STRESS. Thats for ALL the comments and help with this matter. Now please let this thread die. Thanks.
XPipe, how on earth do you use that Taiwan feedback? I can't read Taiwanese!! >>
The checks are in the same order as the English version: Positive/Neutral/Negative. Just check the appropriate one, fill in the comment and click the leave feedback (has a bunch of squares on it) button at the bottom.
Edited to note: It has a bunch of squares in my case because I don't have a Taiwanese language module installed. May appear differently for those who do.
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I go into threads to see who to stay away from, but for the most part see alot of whining and complaining that eBay won't do this or eBay won't do that. For the most part, it is not eBay's responsibility to do anything. They are a venue. Their only obligation they really haver is to ensure that they do not become a knowing party to illegal activity. If you bought the coin from a store front, would you put up with this? I very seriously doubt it. And I am sure that you would tell everybody you came across that wanted to buy at that store or you thought may want to about your experience as well as the name and location of the store.
Personally, I believe you should do the following:
1) Notify the seller of his responsibility to abide by his written and ammended agreements with you.
2) Notify the seller that if he refuses to (without further obligation in the matter), then you will do the following:
a) Report his activities to eBay inclusive of false advertisement, mail fraud, and extortion/balck-mail and request his removal from the venue services.
b) Report the matter along with evidences to the U.S. Postal Inspector for mail fraud.
c) Report the matter along with evidences to the Attorney General of his state for false advertising, mail fraud, extortion/black-mail, and possibly operating a business without proper licensing or tax reporting.
d) Report the matter along with evidences to the Attorney General of your state for false advertising, mail fraud, and extortion/black-mail.
e) Report the matter along with evidences to the local law enforcement of his area for mail fraud and extortion/black-mail
f) Open a small claims lawsuit IN YOUR DISTRICT against him for full amount of your payment PLUS the retail amount of the coin that had been advertised PLUS court costs.
g) Leave negative feedback on eBay.
3) Notify the seller that he has 72 hours to acknowledge reciept of your correspondence and to remit proof that your refund has been sent.
4) If the seller continues to refuse to refund your money, then do 2a-2g after the 72 hours are over.
Everybody should utilize the government resources available to us. There are government inspectors and agencies for a reason, but if we never use them, then these kinds of "businessmen" will roam rampant. Sure, it sounds like alot of work, but if you are apathetic about this kind of activity then all I can say is you definitely deserve it then.
Best of luck.
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1) Notify the seller of his responsibility to abide by his written and ammended agreements with you.
2) Notify the seller that if he refuses to (without further obligation in the matter), then you will do the following:
a) Report his activities to eBay inclusive of false advertisement, mail fraud, and extortion/balck-mail and request his removal from the venue services.
b) Report the matter along with evidences to the U.S. Postal Inspector for mail fraud.
c) Report the matter along with evidences to the Attorney General of his state for false advertising, mail fraud, extortion/black-mail, and possibly operating a business without proper licensing or tax reporting.
d) Report the matter along with evidences to the Attorney General of your state for false advertising, mail fraud, and extortion/black-mail.
e) Report the matter along with evidences to the local law enforcement of his area for mail fraud and extortion/black-mail
f) Open a small claims lawsuit IN YOUR DISTRICT against him for full amount of your payment PLUS the retail amount of the coin that had been advertised PLUS court costs.
g) Leave negative feedback on eBay.
3) Notify the seller that he has 72 hours to acknowledge reciept of your correspondence and to remit proof that your refund has been sent.
4) If the seller continues to refuse to refund your money, then do 2a-2g after the 72 hours are over.
It's always nice to find someone just as nasty and bitter as me!
<< <i>It's always nice to find someone just as nasty and bitter as me!
Goose....on these boards, that isn't that hard to do
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
yeah, I didn't think about that before I posted it.
<< <i>It's always nice to find someone just as nasty and bitter as me!
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<< <i>Personally, I believe you should do the following:
1) Notify the seller of his responsibility to abide by his written and ammended agreements with you.
2) Notify the seller that if he refuses to (without further obligation in the matter), then you will do the following:
a) Report his activities to eBay inclusive of false advertisement, mail fraud, and extortion/balck-mail and request his removal from the venue services.
b) Report the matter along with evidences to the U.S. Postal Inspector for mail fraud.
c) Report the matter along with evidences to the Attorney General of his state for false advertising, mail fraud, extortion/black-mail, and possibly operating a business without proper licensing or tax reporting.
d) Report the matter along with evidences to the Attorney General of your state for false advertising, mail fraud, and extortion/black-mail.
e) Report the matter along with evidences to the local law enforcement of his area for mail fraud and extortion/black-mail
f) Open a small claims lawsuit IN YOUR DISTRICT against him for full amount of your payment PLUS the retail amount of the coin that had been advertised PLUS court costs.
g) Leave negative feedback on eBay.
3) Notify the seller that he has 72 hours to acknowledge reciept of your correspondence and to remit proof that your refund has been sent.
4) If the seller continues to refuse to refund your money, then do 2a-2g after the 72 hours are over.
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What he said, this is like someone re-raising you in poker, you either fold or raise over the top. Raise over the top and make him fold.
Looks pretty cut and paste to me!!
And if that don't work...Let's Nuke the b@st@rd!!!
If I only had a dollar for every VAM I have...err...nevermind...I do!!
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<< <i>received the coin today. as i indicated in this e-mail to you i have requested positive feedback for the transaction since i gave you the same and the transaction has really been cancelled. upon receipt of that i will issue refund (do you want check or paypal?). if possitive feedback is not left i will return the coin to you and consider the sale final. i was not under any obligation to cancel this sale but have done so to make you happy but will not risk negative feedback >>
As far as I'm concerned, requesting only positive feedback is identical to requesting "no neg or neutal FB." Either one is equivalent and imo is extortion. This is just semantics.
roadrunner
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
If he then refunds part of your $, great. If he keeps your coin, he risks trouble with the postal inspector and Ebay. And if he returns the coin to you, you can re-sell it and be done with it. One way or another, put it behind you.
He has already stated that if he gets kicked of ebay so be it.
ebay auction link
The misrepresentation of the auction was in the discription it stated "unbelievable for the date PR66Cameo" this coin has NO cameo on the reverse whatsoever. The date of 1956 is one of the easiest and nicest cameo quarters in the series.
I don't see a problem with this eBayer or transaction at all. He just restated the grade given by PCGS.
With this information, I'd try to work it out.
If I only had a dollar for every VAM I have...err...nevermind...I do!!
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<< <i>The ebay seller's ID is spendabuck >>
Wrong eBay ID.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Wrong eBay ID. >>
Make that spendabuckeye.
edited to add; Xpipe look up 3 or 4 posts for you answer.
Edited to add (now that I have been able to look at the auction):
I still would neutral someone who tries to threaten me
The seller knew how to play with lighting for his pics I think........
Also, no refund stated...if I didn't ask beforehand, then I would likely not bid...if I did bid, I would do it with the thought of eating the coin/loss if I didn't like it (although, it wouldn't stop me from mentioning I didn't like the coin and would be ok with a return/refund).
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>taiwan feedback >>
XPipe, how on earth do you use that Taiwan feedback? I can't read Taiwanese!!
I took (KAZ6) Eric's advice and told him to send the coin back and I would leave no feedback and that he had my word on that. He emailed me back and said he would send me a refund with a resonable restocking fee. I email him back and told him thanks and that positive feedback has been left.
Sorry about airing my dirty laundry here on these boards, but frankly the seller blindsided me with his demands of leaving a positive feedback or no refund. I try to get along and be resonable with people, because $40.00 is NOT WORTH THE STRESS. Thats for ALL the comments and help with this matter.
Now please let this thread die. Thanks.
<< <i><< taiwan feedback >>
XPipe, how on earth do you use that Taiwan feedback? I can't read Taiwanese!! >>
The checks are in the same order as the English version: Positive/Neutral/Negative. Just check the appropriate one, fill in the comment and click the leave feedback (has a bunch of squares on it) button at the bottom.
Edited to note: It has a bunch of squares in my case because I don't have a Taiwanese language module installed. May appear differently for those who do.
Russ, NCNE