Why I support PSA and why YOU should as well
DaBigHurt
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We've seen enough negative attack threads on PSA here to last a lifetime. Some may be asking why I'm so adament in my support of PSA in the face of all the attacks. My answer is simple. If the company I work for and brings in a lot of money to my family and I were suddenly besieged by people trying to destroy it and in turn, destroy my livelihood, you can be damn sure I'll fight for my company! Are you telling me if I went to your workplace on monday and started to chase away customers by bringing up frivilous lawsuits, you would just stand there?
Most of the posters on this forum have been with PSA for a long time. Most have a lot of money invested in PSA graded cards and most actually want to see their investments appreciate in value. Trying to spread vicious lies and innuendo on a PSA owned board should be a bannable offense in my opinion. You're either 'with us or against us,' as President Bush said.
PSA has graded over 6,000,000 cards and been a beacon for all that is good in this hobby. They have legions of supporters and customers. They've protected many people from being cheated by altered/doctored cards. They've graded consistently for almost a decade and given a voice to the collector. I don't think it's fair that we should have to put up with the constant negative attack campaigns from people with obvious agendas.
I have the utmost confidence in Joe Orlando. If he doesn't feel he should comment on frivilous lawsuits, then he has the right to remain silent. Just because he's exercising his right to stay quiet DOES NOT mean he or PSA is guilty of anything. Quite the contrary. This matter will be forgotten soon anyway, so why waste anymore time on it?
Anyway, I'm sure there are a lot of others out there who feel like I do and are sick of our message boards being turned into a place where we have to hide from the invaders from other boards with an obvious agenda.
Most of the posters on this forum have been with PSA for a long time. Most have a lot of money invested in PSA graded cards and most actually want to see their investments appreciate in value. Trying to spread vicious lies and innuendo on a PSA owned board should be a bannable offense in my opinion. You're either 'with us or against us,' as President Bush said.
PSA has graded over 6,000,000 cards and been a beacon for all that is good in this hobby. They have legions of supporters and customers. They've protected many people from being cheated by altered/doctored cards. They've graded consistently for almost a decade and given a voice to the collector. I don't think it's fair that we should have to put up with the constant negative attack campaigns from people with obvious agendas.
I have the utmost confidence in Joe Orlando. If he doesn't feel he should comment on frivilous lawsuits, then he has the right to remain silent. Just because he's exercising his right to stay quiet DOES NOT mean he or PSA is guilty of anything. Quite the contrary. This matter will be forgotten soon anyway, so why waste anymore time on it?
Anyway, I'm sure there are a lot of others out there who feel like I do and are sick of our message boards being turned into a place where we have to hide from the invaders from other boards with an obvious agenda.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
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It's similar to the "Have" and Have Mores"
You seem to have a lot of knowledge. I have been trying to figure out the time frame for WIWAG and the lawsuit. Was Rocchi the President or Orlando when the WIWAG mess started?
Why do you have a Collectors Universe logo as your icon? Are you an employee of CU?
<< <i>H. Walker
You seem to have a lot of knowledge. I have been trying to figure out the time frame for WIWAG and the lawsuit. Was Rocchi the President or Orlando when the WIWAG mess started? >>
chew
I think this is a very important question.
If Rocchi was in charge when this whole fiasco occurred, I for one am glad that PSA got rid of the people responsible for this mess.
Do you know the answer?
koby
I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it - just take it out of my house!
I guess I'm not the liberal I used to be....
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
<< <i>H. Walker
You seem to have a lot of knowledge. I have been trying to figure out the time frame for WIWAG and the lawsuit. Was Rocchi the President or Orlando when the WIWAG mess started? >>
Aro
Rocchi was prez but the theft of holders came after he moved on.
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Mike
<< <i>I think both sides of this issue are right. One of the basic hallmarks of freedom and democracy is the right and responsibility to constructively criticise. PSA is clearly the leader in card authentication and this board often times constructively critiques their efforts. The grey area is where the bashing takes place and I agree that this board isn't the place for it.
I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it - just take it out of my house!
I guess I'm not the liberal I used to be.... >>
Hi Mark
That's actually a very accurate analysis. Freedom of speech is a right guaranteed us in the Constitution but this is not a public but rather a "private" forum where the ability to post is a privilege and not a right that is guaranteed.
I would not want anyone, no matter how earnest their intentions, to come in my office and openly make cirticisms about how I run my business. Not an exact analogy but I think it's understood.
I would hope that PSA will do the responsible thing when given the chance. So far, they have messed up big time and vehemently stated a position they could not defend. But, how about giving them a chance.
your friend
Mike
Great photoshop work!!!
your friend
Mike
<< <i>Are you telling me if I went to your workplace on monday and started to chase away customers by bringing up frivilous lawsuits >>
frivilous?? If someone started criticizing my company using lies, biased viewpoints and unsound logic.....than sure. But, this lawsuit is not frivilous. Childish threats and immature bashing should be cast aside. Look beyond that. It's individuals who attack your company by seriously questioning its integrity using false accusations and material. Maybe i havent read enough, but i havent see a plethora of the later...
<< <i>DaBigHurt, I have a serious question for you and I hope you will answer it seriously as well.
Continuing from your hypothetical above, suppose the company you worked for, the same company that provided you with your livelihood, was accused of committing a crime or tortious act against an individual....Would you still blindly defend your company and turn a blind eye to the crime or tort that was committed? >>
In this case, there was no criminal wrong doing. Nor was there a verdict of guilt. Looks to me like PSA settled because that's what their legal counsel wanted them to do. A lot of companies settle lawsuits rather than drag them out in a costly court battle.
To answer your question, I would SUPPORT my company even more during a time like this. If the company has been good to me, why should I jump on them when they're under attack?
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
Your right. Because PSA settles out of court (for 600 grand) they must be innocent.
I do support PSA, I just want more information. As do many newbies and veterans.
QUESTIONS:
Why do you think this is a frivilous lawsuit? Because PSa settled out of court? Maybe just maybe they knew there was some negligence so they cut their losses. Or maybe the are completely innocent and can spare the 600 grand.
Who is chasing away customers? WE ARE THE FREAKING CUSTOMERS!!!
"PSA IS A BEACON FOR ALL THAT IS GOOD IN THIS HOBBY" (We'll see as more info comes out)
If I theoretically had a box and inside was the answer to this whole fault issue with PSA, would you look inside? Or would you be content with the current situation and your 110% blind support?
GG
PS: Your innacurate if you really think this will "just go away". I'll bet ol' Joe is thinking the same thing.
I really doubt anyone would really follow through on their threats to boycott PSA. They are the only game in town if you want to sell to buyers who have cards in the PSA Set Regstry. Money talks. BS walks.
I for one, don't really care to look into this hypothetical box of yours, GG. I'm very happy with PSA.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
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<< <i>Why exactly should Joe Orlando respond to these frivilous charges anyway? If he responds, he'll only get people who will demand more and more of his time when he could instead be working on going FORWARD with PSA. Whether or not he responds is quite pointless because PSA will still thrive, so why bother responding to such accusations?
I really doubt anyone would really follow through on their threats to boycott PSA. They are the only game in town if you want to sell to buyers who have cards in the PSA Set Regstry. Money talks. BS walks.
I for one, don't really care to look into this hypothetical box of yours, GG. I'm very happy with PSA. >>
There you go again! All you seem to care about is how much money you can make.
I have a feeling if SGC cards started selling for 3times more than any other companies you would be the first to jump ship.
It would be nice to see you care about the collectors you sell to, not just to your own greed.
H. Walker >>
I think all you care about Chewboy is your own attention grabbing attempts here.
If you are so unhappy with a product why would you continue to buy and endorse it?
Find a new grading company already!
You are not my friend.
Second, I was not beating up on him...simply pointing out a simple fact of economics. If I dislike the way a company runs their business. I STOP SPENDING MY MONEY THERE. It's a pretty simple and sound way of showing your dislike.
If enough people feel the same way, then the company will wake up and change their ways or it will die.
I hear SGC is more than happy to cross over your cards!
Just for Billa and Chew!
They might figure that by listing the cert numbers they are opening themselves up to further litigation by the unhappy customers who possesses one of these beauties.
The negligence on PSA's part is not fixing their holders such that the holder itself can't be duplicated as easily. I don't have a problem with them being easy to crack and I'm sure PSA doesn't either but it's the indistinguishable holder that obviously was and is the problem.
There will always be some element trying to beat the system when the $$$ are huge in comparing 8's, 9's and 10's.
That being said, I won't give it a second thought in the future on buying PSA graded cards.
<< <i>greed !!! thats all this boils down to. you support the efforts of PSA as long as its making you money. thats pretty sad. I've been in this HOBBY since 1969 and have met some of the most honest collectors who were in it for the beauty of the hobby. they would do anything to help you complete a set even if it meant giving you the card and expecting nothing in return. but thanks. I take my hat of to those memories and the pople who made the hobby what it was. Ralph Garr, Jack Smalley , Lou Lipsett , Pat Quinn and company. and to those who made it what it is today. THE HELL WITH YOU !!! >>
i agree...the hell with you all!!!!!!!!!
.....now what were we talking about??