Difference between PR68 NGC and PCGS cameo

kuwegg57

I'm thinking of starting a PR68 cameo set of the year of my birth. Are there any major difference between the coins graded by NGC and PCGS? Which would you prefer?

JrGMan2004

What's your birthyear? That'll make a big difference...

kuwegg57

1957

Cameonut

This will get interesting.

Besides the fact that 100proof1957 is doing the same thing (think of the bidding wars on those 8cams!), Jefferson and Lincoln 8cams are HARD to find.

IMO stick with the PCGS coins if you are in it for the long term. Maybe 100proof1957 will give some feedback on his experiences.

100proof1957

HAH HAH HAH HAH



Do Not Get ME STARTED !!!

eagle7

Even Bill Gates would have a hard time getting a 57 set in pr68 cam with only PCGS coins. Good Luck!

100proof1957

Good thing my meds kicked in !

The perception is that PCGS graded coins are vastly superior to NGC graded coins which i think is total BS !

I also believe PCGS perpetuates this myth by refusing to up-date its own price guide !

I will edit my post and bump it up throughout the day to see if we " I " can get a real conflageration going.

Registry Link

This is what PCGS did to me on a cross over submission at a minimum grade of PR67 CAM (though i will admit that the Linky and the Roosie that reside in the set did not get sent to PCGS,the coins sent were a PR67 CAM Linky and a MOOSE 68* CAM Roosie)

Big Stick No Grease Link

I get the feeling that PCGS says "We aint crossing no Stinkin NGC proofs,throw em in that pile and sit on em for a month then DNC em,just take the money"

PCGS is soooo tight and soooo slow right now,i doubt i will ever submit another coin to them.

JrGMan2004

PCGS and NGC's standards of Cameo and Deep/Ultra Cameo are slightly different... And please, excuse me if I get this mixed up, Marty or Russ could answer better than me... but, I think I remember, that NGC puts more emphasis on frost on the devices, while at PCGS, there's more emphasis on the mirrors... so, there are some coins that will CAM at PCGS, but not at NGC, and some that will CAM at NGC, but not at PCGS, and then there's those spectacular coins (The ones you should probally look for) that would CAM at either service

100proof1957

Having had my rant,there are plenty of coins in both holders available with the exception of the Linky which is a pop 19 coin combined.

A PCGS set is gonna run ya 3 to 5 K !

An NGC set can be done for around a grand !

How big a wallet you got ?

Ego or reality ? your choice, I'm happy with my NGC set.

The Linky is the stopper, start there !

Proof

CarlWohlforth

I have a few NGC Nickels of that date and grade. They don't have enough frost to be called Cameo in my opinion. That is why I they are much cheaper than a PCGS coin in the same grade.

JrGMan2004

Like I said... the two services have slightly different standards, not only in the CAM designation, but also in the numerical grades at time... but, don't think that PCGS will not cross any NGC Proof coins... Marty consistantly sends coins in to NGC and then crosses them at PCGS... ask Marty about his most recent attempt...

100proof1957

Marty gets bent over too !

100proof1957

Carl,

I believe the standards are softer for the Linky's and Jeff's in 1957's

I have looked at quite a few and they just dont frost up like other issues.

100proof1957

Kuwegg,

Turn on your PM

LanLord

Haa, haa, check it out, 100Proof and CameoNut are identical twins (from an avatar point of view).

As for the subject of this post. I think this is a really cool idea, sort of makes me wanna do the same with1958. I think the completed results would certainly be a thing of beauty.

The comments indicating Lincs and Jeffs being difficult to come by does however indicate that the search is going to cause a bit of effort and probably going to cost you a few Franklins.

Good luck, make sure to post your results when you are done. I'll certainly be interested in how it comes out.

CarlWohlforth

I also had a '57 in a PCGS holder so I could compare several coins over a period of time.

I put together a top 1956 proof set. Any year in the 50s is hard in 68 Cameo and very hard in any grade Deep Cameos...

Russ

Here's an example of one that graded UCAM at NGC that would not grade DCAM at PCGS:



Here's an example of one that graded UCAM at NGC that would grade DCAM at PCGS:



The difference is that on the first one the mirrors on the reverse have some field frost at the periphery. PCGS likes smooth, glassy uninterrupted mirrors all the way out to the edges.

Russ, NCNE

100proof1957

Lanlord,

Oddly enough,my Buddy is doing a 1958 set in 67 CAM,the Linky and Jeff are the easy coins !

LindeDad

It's going to cost a lot of Franklins to get the Franklins in the grades he wants. Let alone the rest of the coins.

100proof1957

Russ,

Thats almost MODERN CRAP !

The Frankie is not the stopper for 1957,those are common.

The Frankie is not nearly as Busy as the the Kenny so Cams are more plentiful.

JrGMan2004

<< <i>Marty gets bent over too ! >>

Yes, but he does still have some success'... so you can't make a blanket statement, that PCGS is too tight, and that they won't cross anything (Which you opined), because there are success' out there... and Marty also has a good eye for the ones that will cross, he's been at this business for a good amount of time... the fact that none of your 5 coins crossed, doesn't provide enough data to draw a valid conclusion...

Russ

One other thing that has to be considered when attempting to cross NGC to PCGS is that the plastic of the NGC slabs obscures the contrast more than the plastic of the PCGS slabs. It is simply not as translucent as it should be. This means that a Cameo or Ultra Cameo in an NGC holder has to be at the upper end of the scale for the designation to trigger "cross it" in the brain of the grader during the few seconds he's making the decision.

Russ, NCNE

100proof1957

George,

Lucy Bop submitted those for me and i trust her eye !

100proof1957

Did this thread get jacked ?

JrGMan2004

<< <i>George,

Lucy Bop submitted those for me and i trust her eye ! >>

Yeah, I trust Lucy's eye too... did she say that she thought they'd cross after an in-hand inspection?

JrGMan2004

<< <i>Did this thread get jacked ? >>

Don't think so... this seems to be in-line with what Kuwegg asked... the differences between NGC and PCGS grading of Proofs...

100proof1957

Russ,

Lucy is crackin my Roosie and Frankie for a return engagement to PCGS,in fact,they are shipped

JrGMan2004

Good luck That is a nice looking Roosy, though only a CAM, at least, judging from your pics...

Russ

<< <i>Russ,

Lucy is crackin my Roosie and Frankie for a return engagement to PCGS,in fact,they are shipped >>



Good. That demonstrates that you believe in the coins and have some cajones.

Of course, it doesn't quite jive with this:



<< <i>i doubt i will ever submit another coin to them. >>





Russ, NCNE

100proof1957

Russ,

Hadda trust Lucy's judgement !

JrGMan2004

<< <i>Russ,

Hadda trust Lucy's judgement ! >>

Never doubt the Mama HepKitty....

100proof1957

Russ and George,

Lucy was so sure about those 2 coins SHE paid the fee's for my coins !

(course i will re-imburse her,even though she said it was her treat)

Thats how sure she was !

Think she's a little pissed ?

100proof1957

bump

100proof1957

Appears that i have been had by an alt id !