What would you do with this '21 Peace?

ajia

I have alsways needed a '21 Peace for my registry set. I have had this NGC '21 since before I started the registry but never thought that it would grade the same at PCGS.
Responding to a post with a picture, comments on the coin made me think that maybe there is a chance that it might cross....then I saw what may be PVC damage!
I have to say that I did crack out a NGC Peace before that was in a MS63 slab that came back BB from PCGS for PVC!

What would you do, keep the NGC & buy a PCGS, send it in for a cross-over...hoping that it's not PVC on the coin, or crack it out, acetone dip & send it in raw....hoping it will grade at least the same & not be BB'ed?

thebeav

That's a great looking '21.....Do you mean the 'Pluribus' spot and the tail spot are PVC'ed ?

Paul

K6AZ

Augie, bust it out, give it an acetone bath, and send it to PCGS. That looks like a solid 63 to me.

Deadhorse

If you just gotta have the PCGS, then I'd crack and dip. Or rather soak as opposed to dip. Just seal the acetone jar and leave it overnight.

I've had good luck in the past doing that.

K6AZ

Oh, and I don't see anything that even remotely resembles PVC on that coin.

ajia

Yes Paul, between the I & B in PLURIBUS, AND ON THE TAIL.

Eric, the 63 was another Peace I sent in, this ones a 64.

Deadhorse, do you use something like a pickling jar? It's not supposed to be plastic right?

K6AZ

Augie, it looks like a good coin to me, I must have misread. In any event, I would crack it and send to PCGS.

Do not use any container for acetone other than glass or metal. Be sure to use in a well ventilated area, and far away from any type of ignition source (gas stove, water heater, etc.).

stman

The "Spots" you are talking about going by the picture do not look like PVC. If the picture is accurate it only looks like the normal
spots that these Peace dollars get from the wash at the mint. I call them milk spots. Probably not a correct term but that's the term I use.

TWQG

Nice detail and luster for that date.

ajia

stman, if I remember past discussions on milkspots ( I think Russ had a nice Kennedy example), bathing the coin in acetone will not help the situation....so maybe I should keep the coin in the NGC holder and ask for a straight cross-over?

Sean, I LOVE the luster on the reverse, the obverse has the subdued luster, like it has a thin film of 'something' that if you could wipe away the coin would POP!

Deadhorse

<< <i>Yes Paul, between the I & B in PLURIBUS, AND ON THE TAIL.

Eric, the 63 was another Peace I sent in, this ones a 64.

Deadhorse, do you use something like a pickling jar? It's not supposed to be plastic right? >>



Yeah, that will work. I actually use a couple of very small wide jelly jars that came in a holiday basket, probably no more than 3 ounces in size with nice tight metal lids. They are wide enough to fit a Morgan and there is no need to fill them much higher than the coin. I let them soak overnight, then do a dip in clean acetone and then an alchohol bath and fresh water. Pat them dry quickly with soft terry cloth. I've seen wonders with really ugly coins in the past.

Acetone evaporates so quickly that it's an amazing sight. You can virtually watch the level drop in an unsealed container. Always use glass, never plastic.

Deadhorse

Milk spots can be removed as well. It's been posted here but I guess I didn't save the info. I've got a proof 64 Kennedy that needs the treatment.

stman

I don't think the milk spots on a JFK are the same deal as on a Peace$. I don't "Play" with coins....
but I've heard the spots on Peace $ don't dip off. I understand acetone is different, but I can't help you on the issue.
Myself, I'd leave the coin alone.

clackamas

I would spend it

rkfish

I'd leave that coin alone also......based on the pics it appears to be water spots which at best, can be very difficult to
remove on Peace dollars, if at all. If you want, try and cross it to PCGS.....what about the light spots between the "E" and "R"
and the "R" and the "T" along the rim on the obverse....same type of spots ?? Are the spots chalky white or do they have a light
blue/green tint to them ??

BAJJERFAN

Sell it and buy one already slabbed.

BigGreek

That's a nice looking Peace Dollar!!

ajia

Steve, these do not look like the beginning, or end, of some sort of toning. They do look like water spots, with the edges more opaque than the middle, & 'chalky' in nature.
What an eye you have! The 'spot' between the E & R I do not see, but the one between the R & T is there.

Tom, kin EYE bie a '94pee phrum u wiz it?
Dat wood maik clackmas hapie 2.

MadMonk

I might contact NGC first to see if they will do a free review for the PVC. Then I'd do a crossover if everything was alright.

BAJJERFAN

Tom, kin EYE bie a '94pee phrum u wiz it?

If that was a PCGS64 it would take about 7 or 8 more to trade fer what I have!!

ajia

Thanks for the info MM

Tom......DAMN!

KurtHorn

Hold the coin up to a pin point light source. Twist it back and forth every which way. If the spots don't show a blueish-greenish hint to them then they are water spots. Water spots are from the mint and are generally accepted by TPG's. Walkers have them frquently.

If, and only if, you see a blue-green hint to them then you should crack it and dip it in acetone. Do not leave it over night it will dull the lustre! In fact, after your dipping be sure to run lots and lots of water on the coin to neutralize the acetone. Here's another mistake people make... when your're done rinsing the coin be very careful to pat it dry with a very soft cloth. Don't rub the coin. You can end up body bagging a coin for improper cleaning, that you dipped in acetone, by being to harsh with the drying rag,

Also and this is obvious don't rub on the coin while dipping or rinsing for the same reason. I know some very experienced coin dealers will sometimes go after just the spot of PVC on a coin with a cue tip. Unless you a very experienced don't try this as you can easily end up with a bright shiny spot where the cue tip has damaged the surface of the coin.

As far as sending it to NGC first for damage... That's fine if money is no object. But if your intent is to get it in a PCGS holder for a Registry set it's a waste of money. You still have to pay to send it to them and they'll charge you standard shipping to send it back, and then do they charge you a re-holder fee? I don't know about that one. Good Luck, it is a nice looking coin. -Kurt-

Hedger

Are those scatches between the T and Y on the obv? Still a beauty. You're lucky to hava an original.

rkfish

In my opinion I would leave the coin as is......the water spots are usually there to stay. Even if dipped and they appear to be gone with time they usually resurface. If the spots had a blue tint it's usually a sign of a dip that wasn't properly rinsed and a dip in acetone will usually take care of the problem.

ajia

Thanks everyone for the advice.

The spots are white (milky) & by all accounts here are water spots.
Under consentrated light, there does seem to be 2 very faint small scratches between the T & Y on the obv., but it may be breaks in the thin 'haze' for lack of a better word that I spoke about earlier. OR large ridges from the metal flow as I can see similar, but smaller metal flow lines going inthe same direction under the Y.

I think I will send the coin in to PCGS as-is, in the slab for a cross-over attempt with MS64 (current grade) as a minimum. If I get DNC at least I still have the current grade, then I'll seriously think of selling it.

I will let all know the outcome.....

Merc

The coin looks fine. Does it really have to be in a PCGS holder? Does it have to be part of a PCGS registry set? I would be happy with the coin as it is in a MS64 NGC holder.

flaminio

Send it to NCS for a scrubbing, and then to PCGS for slabbing.