Grade.. Stain..

Knuckles · January 26, 2005 5:45AM

Opinions please.. What would this grade? Can the stain on the back be removed? I noticed in another post that Heptane will remove wax stains quite nicely. This is probably a glue stain of some sort on the Howe? Will Heptane work on that as well?

The card of course looks much nicer in your hands rather than this high resolution scan.. The crease in the middle is hardly noticible to the naked eye but yes a crease is a crease and it's there...

Billa · January 26, 2005 5:49AM

I'll go first . . .

with the condition of the card, especially the crease, it will do a PSA 3. The stain will have no effect on a qualifier for this card because of the crease. Removing the stain will not improve the condition of the card.

Your friend,

Bill

Brunell · January 26, 2005 5:54AM

The card is nicely centered and the color is very good but the crease and the corners bring it down to a 4 in my opinion. SMR is in the $900-$1500 range. Is it yours or are you thinking of buying it?

Knuckles · January 26, 2005 6:18AM

It's mine. My wife got it for me for Christmas at a low $480 (I picked it out of course). Outstanding deal considering this hacked up one went for $610.

This is the third Howe RC I've owned. I had my previous two graded one being a PSA 4. The other a PSA 5. The color of the PSA 4 was just as nice but it was off centered and had a tiny crease and minor corner wear. The PSA 6 had horrible color and poor corners, two corners had tiny creases around them from being banged up so much.

It's funny the PSA 4 had nicer eye appeal than the PSA 6 and this one that I own now is nicer than the both of them. (eye appeal wise)

I won't be grading it for selling purposes. If I were to sell it I would leave it upgraded since it would probably fetch for more that way.

I want it on display in a nice PSA slab with hopefully a 4 on it. I thought I would ask your opinions as to what it would get because if most of you thought it would grade a 2 I would probably not send it in. I'm afraid such a low grade would make it less appealing to me.

Knuckles · January 26, 2005 6:55AM

I've never sent in anything in this sort of condition before so I have no idea what to expect for a grade.

goudeygold · January 26, 2005 7:23AM

I'm going to have to go with a PSA 3. The corners look to have a bit too much paper seperation and wear to pass as a 4. I think you are extremely low risk for a 2. I wouldn't worry about the stain either at this grade.

Great card,

GG

Knuckles · January 26, 2005 8:14AM

Maybe if I submit these two beauty's along with the Howe, the Howe will look to be in amazing shape and get a 4!

aro13 · January 26, 2005 8:14AM

Based on my experience with some 51's, I think PSA is pretty lenient on staining with blank backed cards.

Knuckles · January 26, 2005 8:19AM

<< <i>The stain will have no effect on a qualifier for this card because of the crease >>

So PSA won't give it a 'ST' qualifier because it has a crease?

ldferg · January 26, 2005 8:27AM

imo it will be a 3 ST. nice card tho.

Billa · January 26, 2005 8:33AM

Knuckles,

it will definitely not be a 3ST because of the stain. The stain on the back will have no bearing on the cards grade because of the crease. I have numerous vintage cards that have stains many times worse than your card on the back. But, the grade was immediately determined by the slight crease or surface wrinkles on my card. The card will be a PSA 3, count on it.

Your friend,

Bill

Knuckles · January 26, 2005 10:15PM

okie dokie, thanks.

A761506 · January 27, 2005 7:43AM

I think a PSA 3 is overly hopeful with multiple creases (I see 3, perhaps a fourth if the upper right corner has one also)... that card looks far more like a PSA 2 to me. I do not think there will be a qualifier because I think the staining is within the allowance for the grade. I would not apply any chemicals to that card (or any card for that matter)... you will not increase it's value, and you risk running the chance of ruining it entirely. I am 100% against any doctoring to a card to remove staining/tape/marks and then trying to pass the card off as unaltered. I have no problem with rubbing a nylon across the surface to take off excess wax from a pack, as no substances are being applied to the card, but...

Would you pay full price for a card if it was trimmed? Of course not... trimming is an alteration to the card. So, would you pay full price for a card that has been altered in any way?

Knuckles · January 27, 2005 11:02AM

Brunell · January 27, 2005 1:50PM

Looks like Knuckles has already altered his card...lol... good job!

phreakydancin · January 27, 2005 10:33PM

<< <i>I think a PSA 3 is overly hopeful with multiple creases (I see 3, perhaps a fourth if the upper right corner has one also)... that card looks far more like a PSA 2 to me. I do not think there will be a qualifier because I think the staining is within the allowance for the grade. I would not apply any chemicals to that card (or any card for that matter)... you will not increase it's value, and you risk running the chance of ruining it entirely. I am 100% against any doctoring to a card to remove staining/tape/marks and then trying to pass the card off as unaltered. I have no problem with rubbing a nylon across the surface to take off excess wax from a pack, as no substances are being applied to the card, but...

Would you pay full price for a card if it was trimmed? Of course not... trimming is an alteration to the card. So, would you pay full price for a card that has been altered in any way? >>

I understand your line of thinking, but isn't the stain itself an alteration? Trimming is taboo because it is altering the card from the way it came off the assembly line. Removing wax or a stain, a substance which attached itself to the card after production, would be okay by me. Whether it is done simply by rubbing or by using a remover of some sort, I don't think it makes a difference, as long as the remover doesn't leave a mark itself (might even leave a clean area where the stain used to be).

A761506 · January 27, 2005 11:38PM

Phreaky - if you were told up front a card you were interested in buying had a stain and was treated with a chemical of some sort to remove it, would you pay the same for that card as you would another that was in the same condition, but had never been chemically cleansed? It all comes back to how you would feel about it, and personally, I wouldn't want any chemically or physically altered cards in my collection - therefore, I wouldn't do that to my cards and then offer them to someone else as if they were unaltered.

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