Wow....71 Rose PSA 10
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GG
<< <i>Centering L-R look really bad. Probably a 9. The seller must know someone. >>
my thoughts exactly
Shane
<< <i>Centering L-R look really bad. Probably a 9. The seller must know someone. >>
This card was once a 9 and received the infamous bump to 10
<< <i>This card was once a 9 and received the infamous bump to 10 >>
Interesting. How do you know this to be true?
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<< <i>This card was once a 9 and received the infamous bump to 10 >>
Interesting. How do you know this to be true? >>
I would like to know also - but 30 grand for this?
I know sellers like to take a shot and hope that someone is desperate enough, and has been waiting long enough for this card to show up in a PSA 10 holder, but does anyone believe this will be the only PSA 10 71 Rose ever graded?
<< <i>Interesting. How do you know this to be true? >>
Do a search of old threads.(maybe a couple of years old). It was once a very heated topic on these boards
This is not a defensive statement - just wanted to talk about the seller a bit. Steve Novella is a great guy and one of the more knowledgeable people in the hobby. I have known him since the early 90's - he used to work for Greg Manning Auctions. He recently sold a 52T Mantle PSA 7 for 20 grand on ebay - 1 buyer. I don't believe he is a big submitter, so I would guess he picked the card up this way. There are only a handful of people who would even look at his stuff to buy since he is way too expensive. Also, he is one of the most polite guys you will meet.
I agree on the centering but I also think it falls within the PSA 10 guidelines - my feeling is that a card should be no worse than 55/45 to get a 10.
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Mike
<< <i>Steve Novella is a great guy and one of the more knowledgeable people in the hobby.[g]
Mike
agree 100% . I do not think that it was Steve who had this card bumped to 10. I could be wrong but i don't think it was him
I don't think PSA took this card lightly when it came time to grading. I'm betting before this was slabbed, it went through the hands of a few of the top graders at PSA and they all conferred and agreed the card was gem mint. We're talking about one of the top cards of the last 30 years! You can bet PSA gave the proper scrutiny to a card of this magnitude.
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Nick
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<< <i>I don't buy the argument that a PSA 9 '71 Rose was bumped to a PSA 10. There is no proof of this whatsoever, just speculation from the usual gang of PSA Bashers. Why can't we just accept this card for what it is? It's obviously a beautiful specimen, exhibiting brillant color, crisp edges, razor sharp corners and very good centering. Would anybody in their right mind NOT want this card in their collection? Even if PSA did not exist, we'd all have to recognize that is one of the sharpest Rose '71s we've ever seen.
I don't think PSA took this card lightly when it came time to grading. I'm betting before this was slabbed, it went through the hands of a few of the top graders at PSA and they all conferred and agreed the card was gem mint. We're talking about one of the top cards of the last 30 years! You can bet PSA gave the proper scrutiny to a card of this magnitude. >>
Dabighurt
KMAS5 would hardly be considered a PSA basher. He has one of the finest PSA graded 1971 Topps sets in existance.
The PSA 9 Population was 1/1, and a month or so later, the population reflected one PSA 10 and zero PSA 9s. Bill Goodwin was involved in the initial sale of the 1/1 PSA 9 [I have misreported the price paid in the past, and I apologize], and it sold quickly at the 2002 National, I believe.
If anything - I'm just surprised this card is being flipped now. I wonder if Novella doesn't sell it [e.g. Novella typically discounts prices in due time....], if it will go back to the owner, or if he will settle for a [greatly] reduced price?
Still an awesome card - just wonder how it received a 10.
Centering standards for "GEM" rating.
PSA 10 = 60/40 on front L/R, T/B
GAI 9.5 = 55/45 on front L/R, T/B
BGS 9.5 = 55/45 on front for either L/R or T/B, the other must be 50/50
Dunno about SGC. Never graded any cards with them.
GG
Doesn't PSA also take into consideration eye appeal? Like the 63Ts, there is room for play on the upper and lower borders - notice that the 3 bottom borders all are about the same - good eye appeal IMO.
I would not pay that kind of money but the card is a beauty in the world of 71s.
And if anyone has concrete proof of the "bump" theory - I would like to hear about it - otherwise, we are in the arena of "hear-say" - not fair to anyone.
And, finally, this card, bump notwithstanding, will stand on its own merit - either it will sell or sit.
your friend
Mike
I've taken the scan and blown it up to the size of a doorway,
and the worst left to right centering I can measure is 55 / 45.
The amount of border on the bottom falls between the amounts on both sides,
so the top to bottom centering has to be even better than the left to right.
I'd sure be happy to have that Rose in my collection.
In case Stone hasn't gotten me anything yet, I have a birthday coming up ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
<< <i>I've taken the scan and blown it up to the size of a doorway,
and the worst left to right centering I can measure is 55 / 45.
The amount of border on the bottom falls between the amounts on both sides,
so the top to bottom centering has to be even better than the left to right.
I'd sure be happy to have that Rose in my collection.
In case Stone hasn't gotten me anything yet, I have a birthday coming up ...
Today is my birthday and I still haven't received a 1970T baseball wax pack in the mail yet. So I wouldn't count on getting this card for your birthday.
contact me via e-mail. No 'proof' as I know it can be said here on the forums.
I'm not allowed to talk about this because I was warned, but the pop reports aren't even close in some areas. "A-Wigging-and-a-wagging" — I've learned through my research — resubmitted an extremely rare high graded card perhaps six times. Thus, doubling the population report numbers for that card in that grade. And, I'm almost certain one of those in-the-holder replacement cards is on ebay as we speak now with a bid exceeding $600. Some poor sap is going to be duped to the tune of his wallet. But, I'm not permitted to speak of this any longer. It is a subject which we cannot converse about. So, just ignore this, for I never meant to bring it up. And, certainly I don't want to be booted. Perhaps I should email the high bidder. What do you think?
I sure believe they have. Sometimes, it seems as if Wolfbear and I are the only ones who 'get it'.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
<< <i>I've taken the scan and blown it up to the size of a doorway,
and the worst left to right centering I can measure is 55 / 45.
The amount of border on the bottom falls between the amounts on both sides,
so the top to bottom centering has to be even better than the left to right.
I'd sure be happy to have that Rose in my collection.
In case Stone hasn't gotten me anything yet, I have a birthday coming up ...
<< <i>... What do you think? >>
I think you should give up your stalking of PSA and attempting to knock them down at every opportunity and get a new hobby, or at least, a new company's messageboard to troll on.
rvc - according to SMR :
A 1971 Topps Tom Seaver PSA 10, 1 of 1 sold for $ 6,270 in 2004
A 1971 Topps Ernie Banks PSA 10, 1 of 1 sold for $ 6,898 in 2003
A 1971 Topps Jim Palmer PSA 10, 1 of 1 sold for $ 3,436 in 2003
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
Nick
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Geez now if I am the person who buys this card and then finds out that it was a nine and became a ten for other reasons then the condition of the card, then it is not inconsequential. Sure it is inconsequential to the casual observer who has no interest in buying the card. It is not inconsequential to the peron who is selling the card. Everything in life in inconsequential until it affects your live or someone you care about.
GG
the pm is turned on.
Bill
my .02