60 - 62 Bell Brands

Fuzz

Didn't want to distract from the hand bill collection display on the other thread. They are really great items. The closest we got was 67 Topps FB wrappers.
Anyway, I finally started making an inventory of the Bell Brands that I have graded and the ones that I don't. I keep my notes on a print out of the set composition from the registry. What I noticed when I printed them out is that these sets are not weighted but seemingly could be. They certainly are not all commons. Is there any interest in weighting these sets or should we just leave well enough alone?
Fuzz

onlychild

I thought of that too but didn't feel like dealing with all the PSA red tape...it would take months accomplish.

Just look how long it takes for additions to player sets.

Kevin

rickster

Not sure how weighting is usually done. It may be worth doing, even if it takes a while. Do SP's automatically gain more weight? How do they compare to HOF'ers? Is the weighting usually done by price? I don't have access to the pop reports, but I believe they are several Bells that haven't had a card graded over a 6 yet. Lots of questions, sorry I don't have the answers.

Rick

Griffins

From what I understand the weighting is based on the value of a PSA 8 example of each card. Since 8's don't exist on many cards it is all theoretical.
'58 Bell Brands aren't weighted at all, and I prefer that. If you're a set collector then it really doesn't matter- if you're missing a card you're missing a card. If they weighted it Koufax would be higher than Cimoli and Snider, which are much tougher to find.
I'd be happy if they tossed weighting on every set on the registry.

Fuzz

I hold no preference as to whether the set gets weighted or not. BUT, if it does get done, then I think this group should be the ones to do it. I have collected other sets where one person, who was not known to the group weighted the set on their own without that input. Funny enough, it happened right before the awards finished. I don't want that to happen here.
I have weighted several sets in the past at it is relatively painless. It certainly won't take months and I will volunteer to coordinate if the group wants it done. Normally the weighting is done on SMR of PSA 8 cards but we could use PSA 6's or the like if we choose. It is all done on relative price so SP's do weigh more because they are known SP's and that is regonized in the prices. Other apparent shortages, or shortages in gradeable cards usually do not show up until they show up in the price guide. SO "low pop commons" take a long time to get weight if ever.
Fuzz

onlychild

<< <i>I have collected other sets where one person, who was not known to the group weighted the set on their own without that input. Funny enough, it happened right before the awards finished >>



If it's a regisrty award you want, you can have mine.

Weighted, not weighted, makes no difference to me and probably not to the others either. Do whatever floats your boat.

Nothing personal FuzzDude! I am still really ticked over the "auction house invasion".

YF,

Kevin

Fuzz

Kevin,
Thanks for the offer of the award but I already have a few. I do however collect cards with at least some intent to compete but an understanding that I cannot compete at everything. Bell Brands are a "just above the line" priority to me. Enough that I spend some time on it, but not enough that it really gets much in the way of money and effort allocated. Most of the ones that I have I bought more than 20 years ago.
It does seem pretty clear that no one really wants this set weighted and again that is fine with me. Especially since most of my higher grade cards are commons.
My expereince was in the FB area where a set was weighted in the last week of the competition without input. Worse it was a silly weighting that clearly favored the person doing the weights. HOF'ers were weighted as commons but semi-stars were weighted as high as 3. It made no sense until you saw the cards that the person had. Turns out he didn't win anyway but still, seriously uncool. I just want the rules to any competition to a) make some sense and b) be stated at the beginning. These are based on my own personal history of distastefull life events.
I appreciate your being ticked but honestly am at a bit of a loss for why. If competing doesn't matter then who cares what anyone else has or what they pay for it. You should be happy with what you have as it is very very nice stuff. If competing does matter, then these are, and always have been the rules of the game. If you have enough money, you can compete. These cards were an old find, bought buy an honest guy who had them graded for resale. They registered for publicity, which I understand not everyone agrees with and why they don't. I do not know if they will be sold as complete sets or broken for the auction, maybe someone can shed some light on this. But if you want to compete, you have the same shot that everyone else has.
I have asimilar issue going in FB at the moment where some top sets may be coming available. To insure that you compete, you would have to buy them. To not buy, means a new and highly motivated big money player is loose on the scene. Not an easy choice. I have decided not to offer for the whole sets and will let the cards fall where they may. I will deal with the results one way or the other and continue to compete. The money that I would have spent on the sets is being set aside for a 65 Mustang convertible for the wife.
Whatever you choose, best of luck.
Fuzz

onlychild

PSA Rules

Buying and Selling Policy

The PSA Set Registry is to be used to list collections of cards and is not to be used to sell cards. Listing a card(s) in order to sell it and/or pricing a card(s) in the registry is not permitted. The set registry is self-policing. Should you see an infraction of this policy, please report it to setregistry@collectors.com.

Since this is self-policing we should all voice our opinions....like it will do much good!

Fuzz

very valid point.

onlychild

Here is a pre-written registry infraction email.
Just copy & paste. Send to setregistry@collectors.com
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Please note the following registry infractions by Mile High Card Co., who is using the set registry to sell cards for their upcoming Spring 05 auction:

1958 Bell Brand
1961 Bell Brand
1961 Morrell Meats
1962 Bell Brand
unk others
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PSA Rules

Buying and Selling Policy

The PSA Set Registry is to be used to list collections of cards and is not to be used to sell cards. Listing a card(s) in order to sell it and/or pricing a card(s) in the registry is not permitted. The set registry is self-policing. Should you see an infraction of this policy, please report it to setregistry@collectors.com.
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Can they please be removed. Thank you.

rjd

it's one thing if an individual puts his registry set up for sale (including viia 3rd party), it's another when an auction house does it just for sale. That's not what the registry is for, but hard to enforce. I would request that Mile Hi voluntarily remove it (wanna buy a bridge), I suspect they love all of the publicity, attracting attention to this lot. As beautiful as the 61's are, I may choose to boycott.

PSA is very out of touch with this regional set. i.e. many grading errors on years, SMR being totally price unrealistsic (7 and 8's are 4-10x SMR, never updated), many prices for a grade that doesn't exist, not to mention weighting of these cards. Careful, may hear a poof coming. BD

MorrellMan

<< <i>
My experience was in the FB area where a set was weighted in the last week of the competition without input. Worse it was a silly weighting that clearly favored the person doing the weights. HOF'ers were weighted as commons but semi-stars were weighted as high as 3. >>



This concerns me. I've stayed out of the weighting debate because I'm not that impressed with weighting, especially on regional issues. But this concerns me - may I ask, Fuzz, to which set are you referring?

onlychild

I choose to boycott!



Kevin