Player Sets Question

gregm13

All,

I have an question that I'd like everyone's opinion on. I am heavily involved in the Dan Marino basic and master sets (currently #1 in both) and was wondering whether there should be separate awards for vintage vs. modern players. There are many impressive players sets out there, but let's face it, how is my Dan Marino basic/master sets (no matter how nice) going to match up to the 2004 winner - who I think had all Ted Williams regular cards in PSA 9. They aren't even in the same legaue as far as money is concerned, but both could be impressive in their own rights (collecting a basic set of over 200 cards or master sets of over 1000 for a modern player).

My only point is that there should be some cut off as to when a player played or was inducted in the HOF - as to whether he/she is considered vintage vs. modern. Accordingly, the awards should be split based on the same criteria. Just a thought.

Regards,

Greg M.

boggs301012

I agree there is no chance for a modern set to win player collection of the year. Not with names like Ruth , Mantle Gerhig to compete against. And granted those cards cost a lot more money and can be tough to find. But we too have some difficult cards to find. And put just as much effort into out collections.


JAmes

bookofrhymes21

Would you be interested in a BGS 9 Dan Marino

NickM

I think a Ryan, Jordan or Gretzky Master Set, especially if it had enough of the tough autographed cards, would be very competitive for a "Best of" Registry award.

Still, a modern vs. vintage separation would be a good idea. I would use the same cutoff as goes for modern vs. vintage on their "Best of" regular set awards - if most of the player's cards come in the modern era, he is treated as a modern player.

Nick

JonB

... very good idea

gregm13

I e-mailed BJ and she and Joe will consider for the 05 awards.

Regards,

Greg M.

mikeschmidt

I think that, soon enough, some modern player sets will win the Player Set of the Year award. There are a significant number of advanced Nolan Ryan and Pete Rose master sets that would make fine recipients, in my mind.

NickM

Good point, Marc, but depending on where the cutoff is, Rose might not be considered a modern player.

Nick

CON40

As the awards currently stand, I never expected that a Ryan, Rose, Fisk or Ripken set would ever be considered for a best player set of the year. PSA shows a preference (rightly so) to vintage collectors. And assembling a Hank Aaron Master Set in 9.0+ grade is a tremendous achievement. The demand for high grade Aaron, Mantle, Mays, Williams cards dwarfs the demand for Ryan and Fisk cards. The competition is fierce and you truly have to be wealthy, diligent, and determined to assemble any vintage player set in PSA 9 grade. As far as modern player sets, there are tough cards, but I've gotten some 1/1s of Ryan cards on eBay for bargain prices because the demand isn't the same and the competition is not as fierce for the most part as those high caliber vintage player sets.

But the idea of introducing a modern player set award, say any player whose career starts after 1965 or so, and played at least half his career after 1973 (the most recognized year for vintage/modern demarcation) should be eligible as a modern player set. So players like Carlton, Seaver, Carew, Niekro, Sutton, Jenkins, Reggie, Ryan, Bench, Morgan, Hunter, Perez, and Palmer would qualify as a "modern player set". Players like Yaz, Brock, Perry, Stargell, Billy Williams, Santo, and McCovey would be "vintage player sets" because more than half their careers elapsed prior to 1974 (the first single series Topps issue). Rose is tough though because his rookie card goes all the way back to 1963, but he played until 1987 so techically he'd be modern, but I could see him being elegible for both types of sets simultaneously.

NickM

Keith writes But the idea of introducing a modern player set award, say any player whose career starts after 1965 or so, and played at least half his career after 1973 (the most recognized year for vintage/modern demarcation) should be eligible as a modern player set. So players like Carlton, Seaver, Carew, Niekro, Sutton, Jenkins, Reggie, Ryan, Bench, Morgan, Hunter, Perez, and Palmer would qualify as a "modern player set". Players like Yaz, Brock, Perry, Stargell, Billy Williams, Santo, and McCovey would be "vintage player sets" because more than half their careers elapsed prior to 1974 (the first single series Topps issue). Rose is tough though because his rookie card goes all the way back to 1963, but he played until 1987 so techically he'd be modern, but I could see him being elegible for both types of sets simultaneously.

I agree with this, but with one modification - I would base it on whether most of the player's cards, not play years, were after 1973.
While Gaylord Perry as 12 years through 1973 and 11 years after 1973 (Yaz is 14 and 11, Stargell is 11 and 10), most of the cards produced of them were made after 1973.

Nick

gregm13

<< <i>The competition is fierce and you truly have to be wealthy, diligent, and determined to assemble any vintage player set in PSA 9 grade. As far as modern player sets, there are tough cards, but I've gotten some 1/1s of Ryan cards on eBay for bargain prices because the demand isn't the same and the competition is not as fierce for the most part as those high caliber vintage player sets. >>



Con - isn't the registry suppose to be about who has the best set - not who is the wealthiest and can afford to spend the equivalent of a yearly salary to most people on a baseball card? Even if the competition isn't fierce (i.e. expensive) for most modern cards, it is often offset by the sheer complexity of collecting dozens, if not hundreds of cards to complete a modern basic/master set.

Regards,

Greg M.

CON40

Con - isn't the registry suppose to be about who has the best set - not who is the wealthiest and can afford to spend the equivalent of a yearly salary to most people on a baseball card? Even if the competition isn't fierce (i.e. expensive) for most modern cards, it is often offset by the sheer complexity of collecting dozens, if not hundreds of cards to complete a modern basic/master set.

Regards,
Greg M.
Greg; I see it that way. Some of the graded Ryans I am most proud of are the oddball 1/1 PSAs like the 1992 MooTown Snackers (with tab mind you!). I'd love to see someone get set of the year for completing a PSA 2 1977 Venezuelan set, but I just don't think PSA sees it the same way. PSA's roots are in vintage cards and I think they still reward value and high grades over scarcity as far as their award system.