Do you like the new "First Stirke" holders

Steve27

kieferscoins

Finally a real picture of the slab. No I don't like it at all.

Cameron Kiefer

dorkkarl

total piece of garbage, i hate it.

K S

tlhoy

Its ok, I wouldn't pay any extra money for it.

Glenn

dpoole

What's it mean?

LeeG

Ugly and strictly a marketing gimmick!!!!! Lee

kranky

<< <i>What's it mean? >>



I think all it means is the coins were made early in the year.

IrishMike

It means that since they are first strike they have higher eye appeal. * *

mercurynut

It looks like something the Coin Vault would sell.

xbob

Too cheesy and commercial. Should do well on the TV shopping networks!

Outhaul

<< <i>What does it mean? >>



It means that PCGS has just come up with another gimmick to part money from fools.

Just my eversohumble opinion.

Cheers,

Bob

newport

I would like to know how they confirm that it's a FIRST Strike??????

Longacre

I don't like it. Too gimmicky.

dpoole

"First strike" doesn't mean anything, as far as I can tell. If it's the first off the die, that obviously is something. But apparently there are tons of "First Strike" labels being tossed about now. Obviously, none but a very few of these coins (if that) are struck off of new dies.

The fact that it has been struck early in the year doesn't mean a thing. If it's being struck off a worn die mid-run, it doesn't matter if it's the first die used, or the umpteenth.

Obviously it's a marketing idea. I don't even see it's rationale, though, even on a con level.

INXS

I thought I had read somewhere that the first 50 coins off of any new run were kept and not distribited to the general public. It's only a gimmick it means nothing as far as value goes it still a MS69.

earlycoins

Totally agree with dpoole in that this is meaningless.

Back in the days when coins were virtually hand-struck, the first coins off a new set of dies were generally struck better if the fates
(and dies) were aligned -- with numberous obverse / reverse combinations as dies self-destructed, leaving their tell-tale cracks and other
detritus for us to examine. Dies were polished, lapped, re-lapped, etc. until details began to disappear.

Today dies are rather disposable, and with few exceptions, one cannot be distinguished from the next.

So what we have are potentially better looking, or better struck pieces from each new die set,
which are changed out throughout the dated year.

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the December of the previous year, during with these "rare" items are struck.

The venerable U.S. Mint seems to be heading in the direction of its Canadian counterpart, or even worse - the Coin Vault.

EC

ibzman350

Yes it's meaningless, but itza 2005 ASE in a diff. looking slab so I now have one in my collection.

When I can find a 2005 ASE in a regular 69 slab, I'll get one of those also


Herb

dorkkarl

you know, you JUST KNOW that a certain 1794 flowing-hair dollar is going to end up in a ridiculous slab like that.

K S

robertpr

My opinion is that not only does it look cheezy but it cheapens the image of PCGS as a whole. JMHO.

Smittys

<<<My opinion is that not only does it look cheezy but it cheapens the image of PCGS as a whole. JMHO. >>>

Conder101

<< <i>I would like to know how they confirm that it's a FIRST Strike?????? >>


They will give the first strike designation to any of them submitted in January. I don't know if you have to request it, pay extra, or if it comes automaticly.

NoGvmnt

"They will give the first strike designation to any of them submitted in January. I don't know if you have to request it, pay extra, or if it comes automaticly. "

Not true, their partners purchase 500 coin boxes from the U.S. Mint and the ones that are the earliest date (on the box) get the "First Strike" designation. "First Strike" is now a registered trademark of PCGS.


From Tulving:

"YEAR 2005 1 OZ. GOLD AMERICAN EAGLES IN PCGS MS69 WITH THE ALL NEW,
PCGS "FIRST STRIKE" DESIGNATION!!!

$439.95 EACH!!!

In The New PCGS "First Strike" Holder As Shown!!

THIS IS THE SAME PRICE AS UNCERTIFIED 2005 1 OZ. GOLD EAGLES!!!!

Each Sealed Box of Gold, Silver and Platinum Eagles From The United States Mint Contains a Tape
That Is Dated and Signed By An Employee Of The U.S. Mint.

The Date IN THAT BOX Will Determine The First Strike Status Of The Sealed Mint Box.

The Words " First Strike" Will Be Inside The PCGS Holder, On The Insert, Along With The Date And Grade Of The Coin.
These "First Strike" PCGS Coins Will Have A Different Serial Number Than Regular 2005 Gold Eagles Graded By PCGS.

IMPORTANT INFO- "First Strike" Is Now A Registered Trademark Of PCGS/Collectors Universe And Can NOT
Be Used To Describe A Non PCGS 2005 Gold, Silver Or Platinum Eagle.

ATTENTION BULK BUYERS- WE NOW HAVE ALL DENOMINATIONS OF FIRST STRIKE
PCGS MS69 GOLD EAGLES AVAILABLE- E MAIL US FOR CURRENT PRICES!!"


Jim

Sphinx357

<< <i>My opinion is that not only does it look cheezy but it cheapens the image of PCGS as a whole. JMHO. >>


definately

grip

For some reason,It reminds me of the World Trade holders.
AL

jmcu12

Gimmiky and a cheap way of trying to hype a coin. And that is not a good 'cheap' either.

pharmer

"No thanks, Grampa, you can keep it, I think it looks like crap"

lordmarcovan

XpipedreamR

I don't really see the point.

zkcoins

<< <i>"No thanks, Grampa, you can keep it, I think it looks like crap" >>



I agree! It looks terrible. I could have done better blindfolded!!!!!
Zach

dbldie55

Bullion is bullion.

Craton

Take the flag off and the fugly "first strike" font as well. They are trying to make it look fancy but it looks cheap.

pf70collector

Now first strike MS 70 would be more like it. I wonder what the populations will turn out to be for the 69's as compared to the "not first strike" coins and what value will be placed on them?

Cameonut

I agree with many - it looks cheezy. I oughta know - I was born in Wisconsin.

I wouldn't pay a premium, no matter what the hype.

Seems like a good question for Homerun Hall on the Q&A Forum.

MORGANHUNTER2

The real question should be- how did they mange to TM a common phrase? First strike has been used in the armed forces for decades. is PCGS willing to sue the military next time they mention first strike, or will they chase every sports announcer for saying there's the first stike of the season.... Trade Marking a phrase can be infringed upon in many ways- but the problem is- the 1st coin off the dies is the first strike only- after that it's 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, etc. so pCGS- you may want to take note as to which coin is truly the FIRST STRIKE...


edited to add: The holder now looks ready for SAHTV.

morgannut2

Since there is only one coin that is struck first from a die pair, PCGS would seem to be marketing a LIE. They would have to have documentation from US Mint that a coin was first--and the Mint would want a cut!! Not likely!

grip

Early strike would have been appropiate.
Al

magikbilly

Embarrassing even in concept. PCGS is creating new lows for itself. You could combine this with the Signature series and have a first strike signed by a Mint Director and I still think it is BS - it is simply NOT a first strike. Early strike is a bit more reasonable - but what is the real value of this "characteristic" when it can't be detected after a crackout unless you have the old insert?

Billy

meos1

Its chezzy and a gimick.

pharmer

Whoever came up with this doesn't deserve a job. The only people who could give a rat's a$$ about the notion of a definite first strike are precisely those people who can discern the fraudulent nature of it. Who's left? This fails on so many levels that it is the perfect antithesis of a good idea. Major self-inflicted wound.

Deb048gold

Looks like something you would see in a gumball machine!

Ryana

<< <i>The real question should be- how did they mange to TM a common phrase? First strike has been used in the armed forces for decades. is PCGS willing to sue the military next time they mention first strike, or will they chase every sports announcer for saying there's the first stike of the season..... >>



I don't think you can trademark "First Strike" (or another term) for everything, just for one particular use. Take Starbucks, for instance. The company is fond of suing anyone who uses anything that remotely sounds like Starbucks when it comes to coffee shops. But some different kind of business or product would not be subject to a lawsuit.

That said, "First Strike" is pretty generic when it comes to numismatics and has been around for a while.

ccex

Sounds like a new slab insert made to enrich cheesy/sleazy marketers like HSN or Les and Sue Fox. Will these gain legitimacy as a PCGS variety noted by Conder or other slab researchers?

Newmismatist

Hmmm - will there be more than 1 "First" strike holder for each series?
Exactly how do they know which coin was the "First strike"? - (Maybe the coiner scratched a big "1" on the reverse!

You don't think this would be a "gimmick just to sell a common bullion coin at an inflated price? Naaa, they wouldn't do that