I GOT GRADES !!!

WaterSport

I sent in some Lincolns for crossover. They were received Dec. 20, got the results today.

1 21842819 1912-S 1C USA MS63RB Ex-NGC MS-63 RB
2 21842820 1919-S 1C USA DNC Still SEGS MS-64 RD
3 21842821 1921-S 1C USA MS63RD Ex-SEGS MS-64 RD
4 21842822 1922 No D 1C Weak Reverse USA VF35BN Ex-SEGS EF-40 No way is this a weak reverse - going back for Presidential Review
5 21842823 1923-S 1C USA MS64RB Ex-NGC MS-64 RB
6 21842824 1924-S 1C USA MS63RB Ex-NGC MS-63 RB
7 21842825 1926-D 1C USA MS63RD Ex-NGC MS-63 RD
8 21842826 1928-S 1C USA MS64RB Ex-NGC MS-64 RB
9 21842827 1933-D 1C USA MS65RD Ex-PCI MS-67 RD

The 1919-S probably has an old cleaning. Otherwise, though, the results were pretty much what I expected. Here's the 1922 reverse - do you think it's a weak reverse?!

MadMarty

Very cool! Are the grades what you expected?

MJPHELAN

That looks like a strong reverse to me (that is, if I remember correctly from my lincoln days!)

paigowjohnny

Looks like NGC and PCGS lined up pretty well here....

LeeG

"Good Job". Been very difficult for most to cross!!!! Lee

coinkat

I think you did well. This 22 no D weak reverse would be better answered by a true Lincoln expert and there are afew floating around here. IMHO, the 22 no D is not a weak reverse and a Presidential review is a reasonable approach. Best of luck with your decision.

uofa1285

Nice crosses with the SEGS overall!

K6AZ

Do you know Ira Stein? He's an expert in 22 no D Lincolns, and could tell you.

goose3

If I recall correctly from your original thread your obverse had all the markings of Die Pair #2 the ONLY True NO D and that certainly appears to be the strong reverse also.

maybe they simply goofed when they made the label???

airplanenut

If you just got grades, it might not have shipped yet... call them ASAP and ask if they can take another look... could save you a fee for designation review, and shipping both ways.

Jeremy

zkcoins

<< <i>If you just got grades, it might not have shipped yet... call them ASAP and ask if they can take another look... could save you a fee for designation review, and shipping both ways.

Jeremy >>



Great Advice. I personally think it was graded wrong. I am not an expert in wheats, but my girlfriend loves them and I try to help her out. I would say that is a pretty strong reverse.

Zach

LincolnCentMan

No way is this a weak reverse - going back for Presidential Review

Got a pic of the obverse?

David

Gonfunko

<< <i>No way is this a weak reverse - going back for Presidential Review
Got a pic of the obverse?
David >>



Here's the obverse picture from the original thread:

WaterSport

DANG: they already shipped them! Guess I will send the 22 back for Pres. review in order to get it corrected.

Thanks everybody!

dorkkarl

it's die pair #1, which is a WEAK D, NOT a "1922 plain".

ONLY die pair #2 qualifies as a "no-D"

i do not understand why pcgs plays games w/ these nonsensical "weak reverse" / "strong reverse" nomenclatures. they should just list the die pair on the slab.

K S

dorkkarl

for future reference on 1922, there are 4 (not 3) die pairs.

#1 strong obv strong rev, this is a "weak d", sometimes passed off as a "no d" if in low enough grade that the remnants of the d are worn off completely. diagonal die break through "o" of "one". this is the most deceptive "false 1922 plain", as the reverse is strong, which makes you think it's the real deal. but the two "2" digits in "1922" are uneven, ie. the 1st one stronger. THIS IS NOT A REAL 1922 PLAIN

#2 weak obv, strong rev, this is the real deal, both digit "2" in "1922" are pretty much evenly impressed, but the 2nd "2" will seem "thinner" then the 1st. the "l" of liberty is separated from the rim.

#3 strong obv, weak rev, another "weak d" that is sometimes passed of as a "no d", but easily recognized because the reverse is way too weak to be mistaken for the real deal. 2nd "2" is weak.

#4 strong obv, strong rev, the last discovered die pair, again, only in low grades w/ the "d" worn off should it fool anyone.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES pay 1922-plain $$$ for ANY slab marked "weak rev". the coin shown in this thread is about a $100 coin imo.

1 last point, the fivaz-stanton # for the real deal is "FS-013.2", ALL others are false 1922 plains.

K S

IrishMike

Interesting that you had all five NGC lincoln cents cross at the same grade. I've been hearing in here for years that PCGS grades one point tougher on lincolns.

WaterSport

KS:

Originally this coin was graded in a SEGS holder and listed as XF40 no D Strong Reverse. I sent it to ANACS requesting crossover at the same grade. They did not cross it because in their opinion it was a lower grade. So I sent it to PCGS only this time stated my lowest grade as Fine. The coin jives with all the diagnostics you list as the real deal but PCGS just was a little too fast slapping labels.

WS

WaterSport

Mike:

My last submission I had a NGC 1926 S lose one point from 64 to 63. Other than that I have been pleased. SEGS on the other hand I have been 50 - 50 with DNC! I have 30 coins to cross yet that are mostly PCI and ANACS. My first round of ANACS crossovers went OK. But the PCI's do have me worried.

WS

merz2

Based on the pics in my reference books,it is the "Strong Reverse".To say it was the "No D",I'd have to see it in hand. IMHO I too believe David Hall will agree it is the strong reverse.The Presidential Review is the way to go.