Is it possible to cut sheet cards somehow to the right size??
glossycrazy
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Hi- I collect 1971 topps football game insert cards and I've seen a few few sheets for
sale on ebay over the past year from the topps vault. Is it possible to cut these cards
so that they are the exact size as the originals so they can be graded? Is there some
sort of die cutter that a guy could buy to cut them out and send them in for grading. It would
be nice to buy a sheet, make nice cuts, and send in some nice copies to be graded since
this is such a tough set to get centered with nice edges... Any insight or past experiences
would be helpful. Paul
sale on ebay over the past year from the topps vault. Is it possible to cut these cards
so that they are the exact size as the originals so they can be graded? Is there some
sort of die cutter that a guy could buy to cut them out and send them in for grading. It would
be nice to buy a sheet, make nice cuts, and send in some nice copies to be graded since
this is such a tough set to get centered with nice edges... Any insight or past experiences
would be helpful. Paul
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Sheet-cut and trimmed are about synonymous around here. Some companies are reported to grade sheet-cut cards, and others reportedly will not, but the ones that do are frowned upon. Unless you like the sheets themselves, I'd recommend staying away from them. As already hinted at above, your reputation will be sullied if you're known to cut cards from sheets.
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cards then I do. Don't get the impression I would cut/grade/and then sell!! I would
only do this for my own pleasure!! Paul
Ed
First, altering cards is taboo, and it's convenient to say that anything that happens to a card outside the factory is considered altering. The only post-factory altering I can think of that seems to be acceptable is taking wax off a card with a piece of women's hose. Maybe we reason that since it involves women's hose, it's okay. Removing stains with chemicals, from what I can tell, is not an acceptable practice.
Second, cutting cards from a sheet sounds a lot like trimming, and trimming, of course, is very bad.
Third, cutting cards from sheets is kind of like making new cards, which is cheating.
Fourth, if we make it okay to cut cards from sheets, there will potentially be a lot more of those cards around in high grade, and it will dilute the demand and prices for the cards.
Interestingly, it is okay cut cards from the backs of cereal boxes, etc., so long as that is the only way they came out of the factory. The cards that come to mind are 1962 Post football cards, but I'm sure there are lots of examples in other sports, too.
Does anyone know how the graders can tell whether a card has been cut from a sheet? Does the cut create a pattern? Does the cut look fresh?
Jump in, guys.
Mike
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<< <i>The only post-factory altering I can think of that seems to be acceptable is taking wax off a card with a piece of women's hose. >>
I think PSA's web site now says, actually, that pantyhose is the only acceptable way to remove wax from a card. You try any other way, and you get the dreaded "Evid. Non Pantyhose Wax Removal" sticker and the card is worthless. I hear that BGS will grade a card cleaned up with used pair of leotards.
BCW Supplies now has its Pantyhose Wax Removal System, $2.50 regular or $3.00 sheer-to-the-waist. Order 25 pair and get a big discount.
Hint 1: The kind you find in your wife or girlfriend's undies drawer works just as well. Just be careful not to catch a corner of the card, or make a run in the hose.
Hint 2: Fishnet doesn't work too well, and may scratch the surface of the card.
Footnote: I think Nuke Laloosh's pantyhose in Bull Durham (rumored to have been worn first by Susan Sarandon!) sold for $55,000 on Leland's.
It's very sad that a few "veteran" members here decided to give a rude response.
"Nearmint" makes some excellent points about the whole issue
i do think that graders ( PSA, SGC ) could tell 99% wether its a factory cut or not.
imagene a 1959 sheet of topps, how could someone find out what type of blade Topps used back then, and even if you do find out, where would you be able to get one like that?
Even if you get the old blades, it would still be hard as hell to cut up the sheet with perfect 50/50 all around.
most modern trimmers will simply use laser technology to cut a sheet, a grader will see the difference edge patterns.
and besides its easy to see why this practice would be wrong.
some issues are notorious for having bad centering, bad edges etc, but a very few precious gems did make it, they avoided ink problems, they had the first cut after replacing an old blade, they were put in the middle of a pack and never get stains or corner damage.
these gems are amazing, and even more so because they are rare.
cutting up sheets and diluting the market with "trimmed" perfect cards makes rare cards lose their appeal.
its like being Miss America with fake breasts
sheet cutters should be shot on the head
Groucho Marx
sheet cutters should be shot on the head
What about Miss America? What should happen to her?
<< <i>sheet cutters should be shot on the head >>
Ouch . I see nothing wrong with sheet cut cards. BUT you sell them as such.
Joan Orlando ...WHY PSA how could you approve that account?
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