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"A nice '53 Topps Satch Paige! I think I'll send it to PRO!"

jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
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What are the odds that this 1953 Topps Satch Paige is not trimmed or otherwise doctored? If it was legit, nobody in their right mind would send it to PRO. Even PSA 3 with a crease would be worth more than PRO 7, and the seller knows that. He also has a '53 Topps Yogi Berra PRO 7.5 that is pretty obviously trimmed.

Hidden seller's feedback + hidden buyers (or shillers) + PRO graded = Very ugly, very risky auctions. I feel bad for Satch and Yogi.

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  • rw2winrw2win Posts: 557 ✭
    This SOB has been selling cards graded from Pro for years. A real credit to the hobby. Somebody needs to take an exacto knife...
  • Love of the GameLove of the Game Posts: 250 ✭✭
    Wow, that one looks like it might actually be trimmed on all four sides. There doesn't seem to be enough border left to right, and there's not enough border on the top if the trim is so close to the team name on the bottom.

    Trimming is fairly easy to detect on the 53s, as the good ones are either way OC or there's PLENTY of border on the top, left, and right. And a 53 with no chipping on the red/black panel at the bottom is about 100% likely to either be in a PSA holder or still raw.

    -Al
  • SDavidSDavid Posts: 1,584 ✭✭
    Notice what this guy is buying now? purchases

    Anyone want to bet what holder they end up in? Most of those wouldn't sell for a profit in a gem elite/pro holder, and I know he's sold some BGS cards in the past. Hmmm......
  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    That seems to be his mostly modern buying account. If you want to see the vintage cards that will most likely end up in his auctions, check out the buying history of syzygy3.14. Also look for auctions by 'slabbed' and 'jodi-mo'. You can usually find some nice links between these four accounts.

  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    I knew syzygy was Gary Moser, but I didn't realize this ID was, too. Ah so ... All becomes clear. I think I sold an 86FU Bonds PSA 8 to this guy earlier this year. No doubt it's floating loosely in a BGS 9.5 holder now.
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    On the other hand, maybe it's not such a bad thing he's putting so many of his eggs in the Barry basket.
  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    jrdolan:

    I remember now that I won an auction from Moser under the ID www.neverpayfullprice.com or something to that effect. A search of the forums also shows that he operates under 'kardz-r-us.'

    That means that in one way or another, the folllowing IDs are linked:

    syzygy3.14
    www.neverpayfullprice.com
    kardz-r-us
    jodi-mo
    t2_inc
    slabbed

    It's all pretty interesting. This is a sophisticated operation.
  • SDavidSDavid Posts: 1,584 ✭✭
    The other id's have been linked to Moser, but T2inc is someone else. Moser is in NY whereas T2inc is listed in California under the name Valrey Sports.

    There was a thread about him selling BGS graded cards early last year. I wonder if he started selling his modern cards under a different account to protect Beckett's reputation?
  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    SDavid:

    Perhaps that is true. I do recall, though, reading that Moser had an in with t2inc despite the differing locations. I will try and see if I can dig this info back up (don't remember where it came from but I imagine it had to be a sports board).

    spacktrack
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,045 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< Even PSA 3 with a crease would be worth more than PRO 7 >>>

    I of course agree with that. All Pro Graded cards are not worth anything to me - I will simply never buy one. I'd rather buy a raw card. At least with a raw card it might not be trimmed whereby with a Pro Graded card it is almost definitely trimmed.
  • athleticsfanathleticsfan Posts: 249 ✭✭✭
    I suspect that syzygy3.14 is also Ellyn2004. Anyone else notice a link between those two?
    A's World Championships-1910, 1911, 1913, 1929, 1930, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1989
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    If that is true, this auction '51 B Durocher GAI 7.5 would be shilling.

    Payment to ellyn2004 goes to Ellen Kemp. I've long since thrown away or deleted anything with the address on it.

    Nick
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  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    Is Gary Moser aka syzygy3.14 and other names someone to stay away from. On both the buy and sale side? I am getting a bad flavor from the tone of the posts.

    What is his story?
  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    Someone can support me on this later, but from my time here on the boards, I have learned the following:

    Moser is a reputed card doctor who would regularly run auctions for PRO cards under his ID jodi-mo. If one were to keep track of syzgy3.14's buying habits and the cards offered for sale by jodi-mo, there would be a high occurence of the same cards. You can check the forums for pictures of before and after shots of cards bought by syzgy3.14 as PSA 6 and sold by jodi-mo as PSA 8 or PRO 9. There is a great history of discussion found in the archives on this forum. Some sellers have listed all variations of Moser's ID on their blocked bidder lists out of principle. Moser will pay premiums for nice specimens. Within the last week he paid over $330 for a '69 Jackson RC in PSA 7 (SMR $235) and $2500 for a '51 Bowman Mays PSA 6 (SMR $1600).

    As for the link between syzgy3.14 and ellyn2004, that is a link I had not heard of. It is hard to fathom the magnitude of this operation as all of these IDs combined have feedback totalling into the several thousands.

  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    jayhawke - according to the feedback under syzygy3.14, he buys from most of the major vintage dealers, and his only recent negative feedback was a retaliatory negative from a watch dealer (with less than stellar feedback).

    I would never buy from him, but I don't personally have the opposition to selling to him that some other members of the board do. I look at it this way - any unknown buyer might be a card doctor (and even some of the known ones). Singling out one to block hurts me more than it hurts him.

    Nick


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  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    Nick:

    I agree with your last statement. We have seen that he will pay premiums so I would rather take my chances and have a card sell to him for a multiple of SMR. It's his risk to turn a profit.

    spacktrack
  • MajorDanbyMajorDanby Posts: 1,343


    << <i>Within the last week he paid over $330 for a '69 Jackson RC in PSA 7 (SMR $235) and $2500 for a '51 Bowman Mays PSA 6 (SMR $1600). >>



    Shame that. That Mays rookie was extremely nice.
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  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    It really was a nice Mays cards. Crisp and clean, probably a good shot at PSA 7 upon resubmitting. With SMR for a 7 at $3000, I wonder how he will handle this one.
  • jaybyrdjaybyrd Posts: 377 ✭
    It just burns my ass to see this guy trimming cards and sending them to PRO. I have sent him numerous e-mails asking if he has any scruples or does he care that he is ruining vintage cards. Of course he never responds to any e-mails.
    Collecting vintage material, currently working on 1962 topps football set.
  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    Why respond when that time can be used trolling eBay for new cards, trimming fresh samples, and turning thousands of dollars a month on eBay? Some of the cards he has are among the highest graded ever. He now sells GAI and SGC cards, as well as some PSA, PRO, and BVG. HUGE operation here.
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