Which pedigrees stick?

RYK

As forum vets know, I am fascinated with pedigrees. When I hear of a named collection up for sale, I often wonder whether this pedigree is likely to stick. Eliasberg, Norweb, Pittman, and Bass are all pedigrees from the 80's and 90's that have stuck. Many coins are holdered with these names on them, and some say that coins from these collections might bring a premium.

On the other hand, a few months ago I spoke to a dealer who told me he was sending coins from the Richmond Collection back to NGC to have them reholdered without the pedigree. It implied to me that the pedigree carried negative value.

Most named collections probably do not stick. A year ago, I was obsessed with the thought of getting a Dahlonega coin from the Green Pond collection at FUN. Now, I am blase, and next year, I may not even remember what the Green Pond collection was.

This FUN's Heritage superstar collections include the Gold Rush, Hugon, Rasmussen, and Cincinnati collections, amongst others. Will any of these pedigrees stick?

Finally, I enjoy getting coins from (directly or indirectly) fwllow collectors including forum members. I have several coins that are ex-"Dahlonega" and one each ex-Reece, Dukie, DaveG, Russ, CoinLieutenant, etc. I hope to have more coins that are ex-forum members in the future.

lordmarcovan

I've had two Benson coins. Bought 'em because they were great coins, not because of the pedigree. I think I had a Bass pedigreed piece, once (on a Darkside coin).

I've never heard of a pedigree carrying a negative value, except in cases where some folks object to the WTC "death coins". In my book, a pedigree is interesting. Not worth any premium unless perhaps it's from one of the really big names like you mentioned, and then only a modest premium, but I like 'em.

roadrunner

Maybe not negative value but some of the name collections got very favorable grading treatment. Once again, you'd have to see the coin. Many Eliasberg bust halves as well as other series languish on the market. They just aren't nice and were graded at a time when original surfaced coins, with less pizzaz were more highly favored.
Today they dip it all.

roadrunner

Russ

The pinnacle of pedigrees is, of course, something from The Mad Marty Collection.

Russ, NCNE

JrGMan2004

I'm very interested in the Logan Pedigree

Conder101

<< <i>I've never heard of a pedigree carrying a negative value, >>


Sometimes ex-King Farouk pieces will suffer from a negative value because of the reputation his coins had or being harshly cleaned, but I'd like to have one.

Longacre

I general I think it is cool to have a coin with a famous pedigree, but I don't think I would pay a very high premium just for it. I think that "classic" pedigrees that you mentioned will continue to stick (such as Bass, etc.), but it seems that the newer pedigrees are more of a marketing tool than anything else (i.e., it is easier to promote the "Green Pond Collection" or the "Gold Rush Collection", rather than describing what the collection is). I guess it's along the same lines as "corinthian leather".

dorkkarl

i doubt that other then eliasberg or norweb, any pedigrees stick better then those associated w/ early copper.

K S

ms70

I've seen a number of Childs Pedigreed coins but I can't find any info on him. I've searched quite a bit with no luck.

If anyone has info on him please post!

etexmike

I own a Bust dollar with the Benson pedigree. A fairly large collection of coins when it sold.

I bought the coin and not the name on the holder. I wouldn't pay a big premium for any pedigreed coin.

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etexmike

morgannut2

Once I've decided that I wish to own a certain coin, I will pay 10-20% more if it has an interesting pedigree--but it

must be a top coin to start with.

Baley

What about Garrett? one doen't see Garrett pedigreed coins that often.

keets

it's possible that some of the pedigree'd slabs are hoarded by individual collectors but more likely they are split between many and reholdered without the pedigree. i figure a pedigree designation on an insert is a total ego proposition, either for the pedigree-ee, the TPGS doing the pedigreeing or the collector stuck on the allure of owning the coins of a previous collector.

al h.

RYK

Baley,

I would add Garrett to the list of premium pedigrees. The reason that you do not see it, I believe, is that the coins were sold before TPGs were on the scene adding their pedigrees to the holders. Same with the Elisasberg gold coins. Once a collection like that is dispersed, unless the coin has a distinctive appearance that is adequately pictured in a catalog or the owner has the paper trail to confirm the pedigree, the connection is lost.

I was able to get my minor Norweb coin into an NGC "Norweb" holder because of its distinctive reverse toning better that was pictured in the catalog. Frankly, I am surprised such a minor coin was even pictured.



I hope to someday "make" an Eliasberg gold coin. One of the biggest problems with this, of course, is that they are so darn expensive.

tradedollarnut

Mmmmm - Garrett!

RKKay

Prediction on a future pedigree that will stick: Hagen.

dorkkarl

i could see garrett too, possibley bass.

K S

paigowjohnny

Redfield...in the original Paramount holders