1885-CC PCI MS-62 DMPL Morgan -- Photos

Stuart · January 12, 2005 10:42AM

Here's a coin that I purchased only a couple of years ago before the 1885-CC DMPL's began to skyrocket in price. It was graded as a PCI MS-62 DMPL in one of their old Green label holders.

The coin is currently at PCGS waiting to be graded. What do you think she really grades??

This is not to be confused with the following ANACS MS-64 DMPL 1885-CC Morgan Dollar which I have previously posted:

anablep · January 12, 2005 10:44AM

Maybe a 63 DMPL. Looks cleaner than a 62. Rim ding near the E on the obverse may be a problem though...

Oney · January 12, 2005 10:45AM

Did you crack it out or send it in as a crossover? If cracked out 62 maybe 63 DMPL, if still in PCI then 62DMPL. I believe you get better results when you crack out before sending in.

Cam40 · January 12, 2005 10:45AM

real nice coin.
my wag is 63 dmpl

Stuart · January 12, 2005 10:51AM

<< Did you crack it out or send it in as a crossover? If cracked out 62 maybe 63 DMPL, if still in PCI then 62DMPL. I believe you get better results when you crack out before sending in. >>

Oney: The coin was cracked out of the PCI slab and was submitted raw.

Oney · January 12, 2005 10:52AM

Then very good shot at 63DMPL......good luck!

coinkat · January 12, 2005 10:53AM

nice coin Stuart... I like the ANACS one more. As for a grade, I am in the 63DMPL camp.

Oney · January 12, 2005 10:57AM

I'm waiting for the results of this submission.....

Stuart · January 12, 2005 11:21AM

Brian: I remember your original post on that coin, and I am very interested to see how she grades. The PL/DMPL fields on your coin are incredibly free of contact marks. It's a very beautiful 1884-CC Morgan.

That coin looks like a lock MS-64 DMPL to me, and depending on how the frost breaks look when you rotate the coin in hand, it may have a shot at MS-65 PL or DMPL. PCGS tends to be very tough on grading both the 1883-CC & 1884-CC Morgans.

Do the fields look DMPL to you in person? They certainly appear to be very reflective in your photo.

Oney · January 12, 2005 11:23AM

Yes, they were very black and clean. It is at PCGS now with 3 other Morgans......logged in on 1/4 under 15 day service. I had sent in an 1883-CC about 2 months ago, it came back MS66. No shot at PL/DMPL but a nice coin. I have the following coins at PCGS in different services.

1878-S (15 Day)
1881-S (15 Day)
1884-CC (15 Day)
1886 (15 Day)

1881-CC (7 Day) this one is amazing

1879 (Free Quarterly)

I need PCGS to go back to the office an grade these things.......the suspense is killing me!

coinkat · January 12, 2005 11:30AM

great looking 84-cc. I don't think 65DMPL is unreasonable

Stuart · January 13, 2005 12:16AM

Brian and CoinKat: Thanks for your posts on this thread.

morgannut2 · January 13, 2005 1:18AM

Something about the obverse just bothers me and I don't know what it is. I even stopped and then came back to the coin 10 minutes later. Just don't know how PCGS will grade it!

Outhaul · January 13, 2005 1:22AM

Stuart · January 13, 2005 1:22AM

Wade: Which coin are you referring to?

My 1885-CC PCI MS-62 DMPL or Brian's 1884-CC Morgan?

morgannut2 · January 13, 2005 1:45AM

Stuart: If you mean me, the 85CC is causing me difficulty. I see the edge bump, the tiny spots, etc., but it may be nothing more than it's out of focus and there aren't the marks in the expected places (nose, chin, eyebrow, etc.) that it seems this date was darn near minted with in '85. Almost like it was a nice coin and then got dipped or something. I still think PCGS is totally wrong on your other DMPL 85CC--these coins always got a cloth rubbed on them just like proofs did. D.H. is being silly because that one is a nice coin and should grade!! Bill P.

Stuart · January 13, 2005 1:59AM

Hi Bill: Sorry for the confusion between MorganNut2 and MorganHunter2

. Sometimes those simliar screen names get very confusing...

Thanks for posting your thoughts!

braddick · January 13, 2005 2:35AM

Those two rim dings (at about 10:00 on the obverse) is going to kill the grade, IMHO. MS62 seems about right.

Heywood · January 13, 2005 3:08AM

Add another to the 63 camp. Not quite 64, could be brought down to 62 due to dings on rim, and what appears to be some chatter in the hair and flowers.
Can't tell about PL/ DMPL.

BigGreek · January 13, 2005 3:41AM

Rim dings will hold this one back. It might go 63.

Stuart · January 13, 2005 7:11AM

Braddick, Heywood & BigGreek: Thanks for your posts!!

I'm hoping to add her to my PL/DMPL Morgan Registry Set, and am assuming that she'll certify at a minimum of MS-62 PL with a shot at MS-63 DMPL.

Oney · January 13, 2005 7:34AM

Hey Stuart.....here is a different photo of my coin that shows well.......

Oney · January 13, 2005 10:49AM

I think you will get 63PL minimum with a good shot at DMPL.

ultradmpldollars · January 13, 2005 10:59AM

Brian,
That 84-cc is a 64 dmpl all day by the looks of the scans...

Oney · January 13, 2005 11:02AM

Many f the marks that appear on the photo were on the cellophane of the holder....I posted pictures on the thread earleir with it removed. I'm hoping for 65DMPL.......

Oney · January 14, 2005 10:42AM

Any thoughts?

Stuart · January 14, 2005 11:02AM

Brian: Your 1884-CC Obverse photo in the white cardboard 2x2 holder looks like a 64 DMPL to me mainly because of the apparent frost breaks on Miss Liberty's cheek and also what appears from the photo to be some contact marks in her eyebrow area.

It appears to be DMPL from the obverse photo, but it would be good to also see a reverse photo of similar quality (to the one in the 2x2). These days with PCGS you can never be assured of a DMPL, but your coin has a strong cameo contrast with mirrored fields and snow white frosty cameo devices -- which makes it look like a good shot for DMPL.

Thanks for sharing her with us, and please let us know how she grades!!

1885-CC PCI MS-62 DMPL Morgan -- Photos

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