Go Ahead And Grade This Bust Half..*Grade and my observations posted top of thread*

stman

It has FULL field luster that of course the scan doesn't show.



The scan I presented is a good representation of the coin, and it has more natural color when tilted in the light.
As I said it has full field luster. My first thought when seeing this coin was why did it receive the lower grade from PCGS?
There is a bit of light rub on the hair over ear, the cap, and tough to tell on that top curl that is so dirty.
Rev right wing, (viewers left) has a tough of rub, and the eagles talons.

My guess is they might have net graded it for the darker areas on the obverse, as well as right below the jaw line there
is a scrape (kind of a scratch but thicker, and deeper) that goes into the coin, you can see in the image some.
There is also a bit of a small lamination in left field that you also can just barely see in the image.
I happen to like these type of things since they are mint-made and I don't think they netted it for this.

I do believe they were pretty tough on this coin, perhaps au53-55 would have been more in line
in my opinion.
I've seen many coins like this in mint-state
holders. But it's all good to me.

Thanks for the replies!

Shamika

The dark areas on the obverse tells me there is friction on this coin. If so, the coin is AU58.

If no friction, MS63

Even with the friction, the coin may still receive a market grade of MS63.



edit for spelling

BigGreek

MS-63

dthigpen

I can't tell if there is wear on the obverse, somewhat weak strike on the reverse. I'd say AU-58/MS-63.

mgoodm3

I'm leaning toward 58.

grip

MS 63,there looks to be some weakness on the eagles claws, weak strike on the stars,I think thats
due to the open collar..Very nice Bust.
Al

rhedden

AU58 detail, but I think PCGS will grade it 53 because of the dirt & the nick on her neck.

dorkkarl

if the luster is FULL, then it's a REAL AU-58, & not 1 of those shifty sliders that get's into 58 slabs.

K S

fivecents

I am going to be very conservative and say AU55.

stman

This is a bit of a tough one. Anyone else? Perhaps I should try the "Rainbow Room?"

ziggy29

With pretty much full luster as you explain, I think it's technically a 58 but could get market graded as high as 63.

Myqqy

I'm going to say 58 also.....

Dollars

I have to go with 63. What a fine coin.

Where did you pick it up? I really like it.

grip

I never heard of an 58 slider,but have heard of a 58 getting into an MS holder.
.........
Al

Bear

AU-58

Cam40

ms60

charley

45.

tsacch

I am thinking 58/63 but would want to see the luster in hand.

stman

Grade posted.

Dollars

Man did I miss. A fine looking coin tho.

charley

Claws and bust line did you in, I think. But , not having coin in hand, a 50 is pretty good. imho. Hope not offended by my 45-have seen and own a lot of 45 to 55 full luster-hard to believe a 45 to 50 would have 75- 100% luster, but they do, and look wonderful, but don't get their due when it comes to grading.

stman

<< <i>Claws and bust line did you in, I think >>



I forgot to mention the wear in the bust-line as well. I did not submit this coin so I'm fine with the grade.
It still didn't sell for 50 money.... but if it was graded higher it would have cost more.
I'm really not much into grades these days. And usually don't even post a grade when sharing.
I just thought this one might be interesting to ask for opinions.

Thanks for your input.

dthigpen

Regardless of the grade, it sure is a beautiful coin!

Cam40

well the coin may be a 50 but the pic of the coin is a 60.
damn it.

Baley

Nice coin, I like it as a 53, would say 58 if it didn't have that ugly black "original" stuff on it

LeeG

Very Nice Half!!! Hoping Dennis will hook me up in the very near future Lee

dorkkarl

didn't you state FULL FIELD LUSTER?

if that is so, then au-50 is a moronic grade. in fact, any grade below au-58 makes no sense w/ FULL field luster.

are you SURE the luster in the fields is FULL & unbroken??? if so, you got screwed on the grade, & you should LOUDLY complain.

K S

Baley

are you SURE the luster in the fields is FULL & unbroken??? if so, you got screwed on the grade, & you should LOUDLY complain.

Somehow, I don't think it was STMAN who got "screwed" on the grade... I'll bet he bought it already in the holder, and now owns a very PQ coin, ultra conservatively graded in the holder.

it was the submitter who got screwed. Coins like this are why I never submit to pcgs, I'd rather buy them after someone else had them holdered: they pay the fee, they pay the shipping, they take the hit on the grade, and then I get a nice coin at a favorable price. Nice score, stman.

stman

<< <i>didn't you state FULL FIELD LUSTER?

if that is so, then au-50 is a moronic grade. in fact, any grade below au-58 makes no sense w/ FULL field luster.

are you SURE the luster in the fields is FULL & unbroken??? if so, you got screwed on the grade, & you should LOUDLY complain.

K S >>



DUDE, yes I stated full field luster. Do you not believe me?

If you had read what I wrote you would have seen that I did NOT submit this coin or have I ever submitted a coin.

BTW, I've been "screwed" enough times in my life to know what it feels like. Well I used to know as I got kinda numb to the feeling after a while. I also stated they might have given the coin a net grade for a couple reasons I noticed in my evaluation of the piece,
which was quite extensive.


Edit to add... I still had to pay much more than au50 price so grade is kinda moot. Just thought it would be interesting to get other views on the coin. And comments like I've been screwed is one of the reasons I normally don't even post grades anymore as they aren't important to me.

Keep on keepin on DUDE!!

grip

What I have seen, This is what most AU50's look like.
STMAN,you got a swell deal on that one.

dorkkarl

i'll just conclude by saying that IF the coin is PROPERLY graded by common-sense ana standards, then it CANNOT have "full" mint luster, unless it's being net-graded down for some add'l problem we can't see.

i did make a wrong assumption though, as baley pointed out, should of said the the SUBMITTER got screwed if the coin was undergraded by 8 points, but i assumed you were the submitter.

K S

stman

Fair enough.

Shamika

AU-50?

I'd take that coin any day of the week!