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ANACS Got Tricked Again

braddickbraddick Posts: 23,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Just like last week's ANACS AT'ed Kennedy featured on eBay by this Seller, ANACS got fooled again: The Kennedy went for a bit over $200.00. Let's see what this Ike closes at.

AT Ike (ANACS)

Notice it has about the same color scheme as this admitted to AT Ike, by the same Seller:

AT Ike (raw)

Please reach your own conclusions.

peacockcoins

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  • MORGANHUNTER2MORGANHUNTER2 Posts: 4,473 ✭
    is it possible to AT a coin while in a slab?
  • tlhoytlhoy Posts: 2,204
    Doesn't look like the same coin to me. Not even the same year!

    imageimage

    Glenn
  • TonedCoinTraderTonedCoinTrader Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭
    I saw and was thinking the same exact thing tonight while searching for toners.

    Same color combinations and on both sides. He also had a PF 67 Kenedy in an ANACS holder that looked just like the two Ike's

    Scott






    Toned Coins for sale @ tonedcointrader.com
  • TonedCoinTraderTonedCoinTrader Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭
    <<<Doesn't look like the same coin to me. Not even the same year!>>>

    He was talking about the Toning on the "two" coins, not implying that they were the same coin.


    Scott






    Toned Coins for sale @ tonedcointrader.com
  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭


    << <i>Doesn't look like the same coin to me. Not even the same year! >>



    Braddick means the same color (toning) in the slabbed verus AT one and not the same coin.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • klorineforbrainsklorineforbrains Posts: 212
    Does anyone know of this happening often to other grading co.s?
  • tlhoytlhoy Posts: 2,204


    << <i>

    << <i>Doesn't look like the same coin to me. Not even the same year! >>



    Braddick means the same color (toning) in the slabbed verus AT one and not the same coin.

    Cameron Kiefer >>



    Oh, I understand now. Sorry to many beers today!image

    Glenn
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭


    << <i>Just like last week's ANACS AT'ed Kennedy featured on eBay by this Seller, ANACS got fooled again: The Kennedy went for a bit over $200.00. Let's see what this Ike closes at.

    AT Ike (ANACS)

    Notice it has about the same color scheme as this admitted to AT Ike, by the same Seller:

    AT Ike (raw)

    Please reach your own conclusions. >>



    You make your point well, Pat. So here's a newbie, buyer's-only take, and that is that they are pretty. Knowing they are AT, I would not buy, because they would not belong in my collection. However, AT disclaimers do not seem to be hurting his prices, even raw stuff, and however he does it, well, it's pretty good. Most AT stuff seems apparent, even to me. This is well done.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Set oven to 450 insert coins and Pizza for 30 minutes. Caution both coins and pizza will be very hot when done. Handle with care serve with beer of choice.imageimage
    My Current project....https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/mysetregistry/album/160794
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Please reach your own conclusions. >>

    My conclusion is:

    There is something admirable, something wondrous about a forgery that has been so skillfully made that even experts are fooled.

    "If I can produce something so correctly, so perfect that the experts declare it to be genuine, then for all practical purposes it is genuine. There is no fraud involved when I sell it."- Mark Hoffman, master forger, Utah State Prison, 1987.

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein

  • Coinhusker1Coinhusker1 Posts: 3,560 ✭
    Oh my! image

    And the Kennedy went for over $200!! And I used to thing ANACS was the strictest on questionable toning.
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    Plus, our seller indicates that it's REALLY a ms67, and not a ms64- so anacs missed the boat twice, apparently.... image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PAt how are these coins made?

    Tbig
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,970 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PAt how are these coins made?

    Tbig >>

    Fill out the submission form; inclose a check, and mail to ANACS. Apparently that's how they're made.

    peacockcoins

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,459 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>PAt how are these coins made?

    Tbig >>

    Fill out the submission form; inclose a check, and mail to ANACS. Apparently that's how they're made. >>



    Obviously Pcgs is getting tricked as well!! imageimage

    And by the same seller!

    Leo image

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭


    << <i>is it possible to AT a coin while in a slab? >>


    Interesting!image
  • morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293 ✭
    OK, No more ANACS toned stuff for me unless it's sight-seen.image
    morgannut2
  • morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293 ✭
    Forgot to say it looks like dthigpen (feedback list) bought one to find out how it's done and certified.
    morgannut2
  • MORGANHUNTER2MORGANHUNTER2 Posts: 4,473 ✭
    TTT

    I am still curious- can a coin be toned either Artificially or for that matter Naturally while in a slab?

    What elements does it take to do it artificially? Obviosly heat will cause major damage to the holder- what are the other ways.

    PLEASE do not take these questions to mind that I want to doctor a coin. I want to have the knowledge when I do buy one that may be toned.

    I have some that are raw and are toned, but they are now in airtites- will this still allow the coin to tone?

    Thanks folks the information from all of you does help.
  • sadysta1sadysta1 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭
    i am very catious about anacs now two of their crackouts were bb by other companies
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MorganHunter: I have yet to hear of any coin being AT'ed will in the holder (on purpose). There was a period of time where some of the older PCI silver American Eagles toned with rings of color while holdered (blamed on the plastic which wasn't inert).

    The 'tell' was simply back then PCI would designate "100% White" on these yet, years later, there was the rings of rim color. Some were actually spectacular in appearance!

    BigD: I suspect you probably already know, but for others, regarding the PCGS offering by this Seller, he does sprinkle legitimate NT coins within his eBay offerings. I believe the PCGS Morgan you linked is one such coin.

    peacockcoins

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm breaking from the pack and now refer to what I would consider AT as FT and NT as GT.

    FT is "Forged Toning." NT is "Genuine Toning." Using this terminology would be more in keeping with my considerations of most probable "method of manufacture" to help answer the key question,

    "Was the toning made with intent to deceive?" First supporting definition for new terminology,

    Genuine toning does not intend to deceive.

    I think all of the grading services can be "fooled." Being fooled is being deceived. The deceived are guilty of no crime.

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein

  • JoesMaNameJoesMaName Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭
    AT is kind of a funny concept - I think I'll sell my old beater this spring and in the advert say it has a liberal amount of AR especially around the wheel wells...

    ...
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    are you sure anacs got tricked??? maybe they are simply admitting that it's MARKET ACCEPTABLE!

    K S
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We can have "market grading" so why not "market tonlng"?
    theknowitalltroll;
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The problem with market acceptable toning is that unless a coin is really fugly any toned coin will be market acceptable no matter how it was toned.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • DabigkahunaDabigkahuna Posts: 3,419


    FT is "Forged Toning."

    I always thought "FT" stood for Fuggly Toning?

    imageimage

    All I know is that there was a period of time last year where PCGS seemed to be bagging anything with color, AT or not. image

    Larry
    Dabigkahuna
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