Diagnostics for the 1916 SLQ as opposed to other type Ones?

gemini12398

I bought a dateless sl quarter, no mint mark, type one. How can I differentiate a 1916 from a later one. The dotted and dashed inner rim on the obverse is merged with the rim so I don't have help from that. Breen talks about the leaves, etc. Anyone have pics to show to illustrate this?

thanks in advance

David

flaminio

Scan it, and post it here. I'm sure someone will be able to identify it.

gemini12398

I already know it won't happen because it takes up too much memory to upload to this site. Another pic won't have enough definition to see much

gemini12398

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Blackhawk

Take a look at this link. There may something new in there for you.

flaminio

<< <i>I already know it won't happen because it takes up too much memory to upload to this site. >>

Send it to my gmail account bflaminio@gmail.com and I'll upload it to my personal webspace for you.

jdimmick

Look at the bottom of the Gown, it should intersect just at the toes of Liberty, not at mid calf area. Also the bottom of the gown itself is shaped more like a banana lying flat on its side , and not like a 45 degree angle upward at eh farthest left point.

Also, depending on wear, their is only one distinct hair strand coming from the back of her head, not two split

ar18

Lets say you have a dateless 16 SLQ, have these gone to auction and how much did they bring???

mirabela

There's a dateless PO-1 (ANACS, I think) on Heritage right now; last I knew (few days ago?) the bidding was up around $500. Kind of a cool thing to have, come to think of it. I'm curious what the hammer price will be.

TUMUSS

The poster of this thread says...

"To my knowledge, there are 2 ways to tell the difference between a 1916 and a 1917 Ty.1 SLQ :

1) On a 1916, Liberty's head goes right into the edge beading -- on a 1917 it is just below it.

2) The bottom dress folds are slightly different between the two dates.

Compare these pictures :"



IS IT JUST ME...or does her right boob (on the 1916) look a little firmer also? (She is a year younger ya know! )

jdimmick

With a coin in this condition, you could tell by the shorter squatted shield vs the 17, but then again the date would be present also.

Your photo is great for showing the difference in the hair strand.


jim

gemini12398

Here is the pic. Not sure there is enough to see, but let's try it out

David

ldhair

Your pic.

jdimmick

Looks like a 17 Ty I IMO

lordmarcovan

There were a number of diagnostics, but I'll be durned if I can remember them. It's an interesting question, and one I have asked before.

Wasn't there something to do with the reeding, too? Not that you could count reeds on a dateless coin- they'd be pretty far gone. (Counting reeds sounds like a good way to go blind and/or crazy, anyway).

kranky

LM, it can be tedious to count reeds, but not impossible. Take a piece of modeling clay and flatten it. Use a tiny piece of the clay to plug the gap between two adjacent reeds. Then roll the coin on edge on the modeling clay. The plugged space will mark the start and end points.

lordmarcovan

Ah. Good method.

But one wonders how much reeding would actually be left on a FR02 dateless SLQ.

(I may be barking up the wrong tree with the whole reed count idea, anyway- could be thinking of something different.)

Coinhusker1

Based on Tumuss's images, it appears the fold to the right of Liberty's leg on the worn coin is from a 1917.

dorkkarl

your coin is a 1917 for sure.

K S

gemini12398

Hey guys, I paid 75 cents for it at a coin store on Saturday, so at least I had the dream of having a great find for a day or so, right? I will keep looking, though. Thanks for your diagnostic skills and input. Always fun on these boards.

David

MFH

The coin you paid $.75 for is a 1917.

The best diagnostic is the head area. The 1916's head seems a bit larger than the 1917's. It breaks into the beaded border, whereas the 1917's is immediately under the beaded border. Even on as well a circulated example as the one you bought, its quite evident.

I wish I had known that when I use to find dateless examples in change back in the early 1960's. If it had no date, I just spent them.