Any Speculation as to What is Going on Here?

braddick

ldhair

My guess is glue

JadeRareCoin

Looks like a sandwich coin; coins are pressed together under pressure (i.e. a vice) and the impressions are transferred from coin to coin. I don't do errors, so it's just an opinion. I do have these walk in the shop once in awhile. Is the secondary design incuse or raised?

braddick

It is raised and it is not a mirror image (that's tough to tell from the photos).

rainbowroosie

Did you buy, or find it??

tlhoy

Hammer job.

shylock

Major clash


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coincollector1989

Braddick is the rim raised everywhere else except where it is obviously flat? I will try to emitate this coin via hammer, vise, and hydralic ram. If the design is raised I will have to try to press the image into a blank (to be used as a die) and then use the three controls. I will let you know my results. Keep us updated on any information that you may find out.

coppercoins

This coin is definitely not a hammer job, vise job, or any other means of squeezing coins together. If that were the case, the secondary design would be incuse and reversed, which it is obviously not.

It is also not a die clash because that would affect the fields primarily, not the raised parts of the design, which in this case are definitely affected.

There are only two logical solutions to this problem...either the coin was restruck after a flip over from genuine mint dies (a flip over double struck error) or was struck a second time by counterfeit dies. The only way to tell the difference is by closer examination than a 5X photo.

braddick

I just finished putting together a submission to ANACS and added this coin. I always go five day express, so I should know in a couple of weeks.
I lean toward also believing it's a heavy die clash. I apologize for the poor pictures. What you are not seeing is EPU somewhat clearly above Lincoln's portrait. There are also other tells that have be believing it might be something kind of cool.

coppercoins

<< <i>I just finished putting together a submission to ANACS and added this coin. I always go five day express, so I should know in a couple of weeks.
I lean toward also believing it's a heavy die clash. I apologize for the poor pictures. What you are not seeing is EPU somewhat clearly above Lincoln's portrait. There are also other tells that have be believing it might be something kind of cool. >>



That's impossible. The design you see would be reversed and incuse if it were a die clash. The only major difference between the appearance of a clash and a hammer job is that the clash affects the lowest parts of the design first, while the hammer job affects the highest parts of the design first. Their characteristics are the same, though - reversed and incuse.

The ONLY way your coin could have been created is if the coin itself were struck with an incuse and reversed design - a die. Whether or not it's a genuine flip over double struck coin will have to be left up to someone who can examine it closely, but that's the ONLY thing your coin can be if it's genuine as is. If it's not genuine, it's an elaborately executed die struck counterfeit...not a simple vise or hammer job.

tsacch

my first impression was die clashing in a big way..............very big way

grip

My first impression was the same as coppercoins,but not sure enough to post it.
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Al

braddick

Dang, you guys know your coins!

Coppercoins, I listed "Severe Die Clash" on the comments line on the submission (and paid the extra for attribution). I hope that doesn't throw ANACS off and they'll still render a valid opinion.

itsnotjustme

I would think most likely is a struck cent ended up back with the planchets, and went through for a second trip.

dorkkarl

my guess - it's a hammer job that somebody disguised. 1st, the created a sandwich coin, 3 coins stacked together & hammered do an incuse impression is on the 2 outer coins. then each of the outer coins was sandwiched around a 4th coin - your coin - & hammered, so the 2 outer coins w/ the incuse impressions acted as dies & created relief details on your coin.

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seanq

Are the surfaces rough like they appear in the pic, or is that just the color playing tricks on my eyes? It sure looks like a flip-over double strike from the pic. The things making me suspicious it could be counterfeit are the way the two strikes align perfectly and the surface roughness. ANACS will figure it out for you.


Sean Reynolds

au58

If the underlying strike was stronger, I would tend to think it is an authentic flip over. It may be real, but from the photos, it could just be a well made fake.

BigGreek

Looks flip-over double-struck. The chin looks raised on
the steps of the memorial and the rims look raised all
around (except for 3-6 o'clock on the obv).

Please follow up with your ANACs submission.

cladking

There's so much disturbing about this coin. Nothing looks entirely right.

I'm thinking perhaps most of it could be explained by being struck on an already
struck coin. This isn't an ordinary flip over because it doesn't seem to be the same
die. Perhaps the most likely thing is what Coppercoins said about counterfeit dies.

While there are cases (especially from this era) of coins struck on older circulated
coins and the like, this wouldn't explain the roughness.