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Can this really be true, all you Classic guys??

keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Go ahead if you have a stiff upper lip, read the post by Legend about halfway down the page where she says BTW, I spoke to Mr. Bender this AM. He is pumped. I know you don't believe me, but he IS going to buy the ALL Hugon Barbers! He might be #3 in Lincolns, but he wants to be #1 in Barbers! Please spare me all the BS-about-the-Registry-driven-Modern-pop-high-grade-gotta-have-it-prices-through-the-roof-crap!!!!!!!!

I'll say what I've been saying to any of you idiots that have a brain and any sense of reality----it ain't about Moderns and it ain't about Classics, it's about coins. All the rules about one apply to the other and vice-versa. Get hold of your ears and yank hard, your head will come outa the sand, I promise.

In case you missed it, here it is again, so listen carefully:

IT AIN'T ABOUT MODERNS AND IT AIN'T ABOUT CLASSICS, IT"S ABOUT COINS.

Sorry I had to shout, but you appear to be deaf as well as blind. Man, I feel better now!!!!image

Al H.image

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  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    Al, are you sure this is right? The impression I've been getting is that it's all about who is who in the registry and who has the most bucks to throw around!
    They can't even make a registry set for collectors where coins would have to be sent in raw and "made"! image
  • morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293 ✭
    No I disagree. The TPG's want it to be all about the Registry, not all about coins--modern or classic. "It's All about profits!!"image
    morgannut2
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    It's about the plastic, those little numbers that are on the plastic!! Sure there are some purists that will still buy the coin, but buying the coin doesn't make you #1 in the registry!!! Not that it's a bad thing!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭


    << <i>No I disagree. The TPG's want it to be all about the Registry, not all about coins--modern or classic. "It's All about profits!!"image >>


    Bingo.

    It's still about moderns vs. classics, the difference being classics have value outside of plastic. Moderns don't.
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,646 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>No I disagree. The TPG's want it to be all about the Registry, not all about coins--modern or classic. "It's All about profits!!"image >>


    Bingo.

    It's still about moderns vs. classics, the difference being classics have value outside of plastic. Moderns don't. >>



    Damn. And not one person who says this has ever offered to sell me their worthless raw moderns.

    I'll pay postage.image


    Tempus fugit.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Since when did Barbers become "Moderns"?
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    well, you guys must have missed my point, so i'll attempt to be clearer. Bashers always like to point out that the "Modren Thang" is all about pumped up prices for top pop coins because it's just an ego thing in the Registry driven by rich and supposedly stupid collectors. that's just not a one way styreet, it happens with Classic coins,also, as that post by Legend clearly shows. of course the "Defenders of all that's right" with Classic coins will say that "but you don't understand, these are high grade Barbers and this guy knows what he's doing, it's different.'

    just spare me all the crap. it's all about the coins, there's really no distinction between Moderns and Classics when it comes to the ego driven high grade Registry crap that goes on. i just wanted to bring that to everyone's attention so you coul give the obligatory answer of "but, but, but, but....................it's different" when it ain't, it's all the same.

    now, like i said, if you grab your ears and pull hard your head will surely come out of the sand. make sure you thank Mr. Bender et al for jacking up the prices.

    disgustingly disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!

    al h.image
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Damn. And not one person who says this has ever offered to sell me their worthless raw moderns.

    I'll pay postage.image >>


    I'll sell you all the moderns you want at face value. Let me see what my wife has in her change purse...

    Hey Al - I never said moderns have the monopoly on stupid collectors.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd be surprised if Mr Bender or anyone else bought a major portion of the sale (25% or more). It would be one thing if all the coins were in old holders from the 1980's and hadn't been seen since.
    But I'm sure a number are maxed out and some are still potential upgrades. Personally I don't see a truly knowledgeable collector or dealer stocking up on the maxed out coins just for Registry points.
    This will be interesting however.



    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    it's all about the coins, there's really no distinction between Moderns and Classics when it comes to the ego driven high grade Registry crap that goes on.

    I agree. And I thank you for linking the amusing Legend thread. I would have otherwise missed it.

    ...it's just an ego thing in the Registry driven by rich and supposedly stupid collectors.

    Modern or classic, the ego-driven Registry seems to get people to open their wallets more than they would have have otherwise. When rich people do it, i do not mind because they are rich and can afford to. When people make sacrifices to do it (their shildren's education, their mortgage, or their retirement assets), it might work out okay and it might not, whether it's a Proof 68 DCAM AH Kennedy half or a Proof 68 DCAM Barber half.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hey Robert

    what aggravates me about any collector anywhere dropping stupid money on anything is that it affects the pricing all the way to the bottom. that can be frustrating. it happened this past year with a Jefferson Nickel variety selling for $10K++. it was graded MS63FS and affected the pricing at the AU50-58 level where coins are affordable and more abundant, good if you're a seller but not so good as a buyer. overall, it's better for the hobby as a whole if prices go up slower, not the way the last couple of years have been. it just makes the impending crash that much harder to withstand. believe me, we all feel both sides of that equation.

    al h.image
  • GOLDSAINTGOLDSAINT Posts: 2,148 ✭
    Al thanks for your post. I had missed the other post and found it very interesting. I also noted that one of our other hitters here on the forum did not say a word about the Barbers being sold, and I know he will be a strong bidder.

    Was that a picture of Laura that Puff posted? I thought no one was allowed to post pictures of Laura?
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only real difference is that with the classics we pretty much know what exists. With moderns, less is known, it's more of a crapshoot, and most "investments" will turn into losers. HOWEVER, I have no doubt that the moderns that in time prove to be legitimately rare are some of the best deals in numismatics.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>BTW, I spoke to Mr. Bender this AM. He is pumped. I know you don't believe me, but he IS going to buy the ALL Hugon Barbers >>

    I wonder if Mr. Bender knows his (alleged) words are being repeated on a public forum for potential competitors (for the coins) to read? THAT'S what strikes me about the post!
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hey GS

    yeah, that's Laura smiling after a "dig" on Stewart!!!

    ...................and Andy, i can only agree with your last point, the key being to get a leg up on everything by learning what those "keys" might be. my dad's probably smiling now because as i was growing up he harped on me till he was blue in the face about education. i imagine he never suspected when he was helping me get started in collecting that it was an area where i'd put that to sage advice to use. BillJones had some good advice early when i joined the forum----start a Numismatic Library. i wonder if he knew my dad???

    al h.image

    image
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>IT AIN'T ABOUT MODERNS AND IT AIN'T ABOUT CLASSICS, IT"S ABOUT COINS. >>

    It's not all about coins, modern OR classic.

    It's about registry set-driven egomania, IMO.
  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am going to sell every clad quarter I can find to cladking for 50 cents each (and he pays the postage). I guess moderns are profitable.
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    what aggravates me about any collector anywhere dropping stupid money on anything is that it affects the pricing all the way to the bottom. that can be frustrating. it happened this past year with a Jefferson Nickel variety selling for $10K++. it was graded MS63FS and affected the pricing at the AU50-58 level where coins are affordable and more abundant.

    That's interesting and exactly the opposite of my experience and perception of Dahlonega $5's. There is so much more demand for the VF-low AU pieces that the prices have been steadily rising while the high AU and MS pieces tend to sell slowly with less upward pricing pressure. Just my own observation and opinion, which may or may not reflect what others have found.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    FUN stuff. Will be interesting to see how it all turns out. We'll definitely need a blow-by-blow account of the auction.image
    coinimaging.com/my photography articles Check out the new macro lens testing section
  • walkinstickwalkinstick Posts: 45
    Help me understand this thread! Are you saying that just because you have money you are ruining the collector market on coins or for that matter any collectable item. Now the first book I purchased was a Pricing book, and it did not take long for me to understand that many many coins were not affordable to me. Knowing this I could still see coins I could collect. As far as coin pricing I'am for letting it flow which ever direction it travels. Its the person I do bussiness with that I have to trust to get what I bought at a price I can afford. But see I have not been collecting coins very long but I can see this hobby for me is manipulated by the players, as it has been from the 1st coin struck. It is very strange someone would signal what they are going to do
  • tcmitssrtcmitssr Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>No I disagree. The TPG's want it to be all about the Registry, not all about coins--modern or classic. "It's All about profits!!"image >>


    Bingo.

    It's still about moderns vs. classics, the difference being classics have value outside of plastic. Moderns don't. >>



    Barry, is it really that or is it that moderns, almost by definition, by far won't have as much value? I wonder how many classic collectors got their start from moderns? I know I did.

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Help me understand this thread! Are you saying that just because you have money you are ruining the collector market on coins >>



    What he's saying is that the pop top craze is not limited to moderns.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    If I have all the money up the Ying Yang, what difference

    would it make to me, if I spent obscene money for any coin

    that I wanted?
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,646 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Damn. And not one person who says this has ever offered to sell me their worthless raw moderns.

    I'll pay postage.image >>


    I'll sell you all the moderns you want at face value. Let me see what my wife has in her change purse...

    Hey Al - I never said moderns have the monopoly on stupid collectors. >>



    In other words some classic collectors are stupid and all modern collectors are stupid.image
    Tempus fugit.
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,646 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The only real difference is that with the classics we pretty much know what exists. With moderns, less is known, it's more of a crapshoot, and most "investments" will turn into losers. HOWEVER, I have no doubt that the moderns that in time prove to be legitimately rare are some of the best deals in numismatics. >>



    Exactly. This was one of the toughest lessons for me to learn in the hobby even though
    it is one of the simplest: If a coin is rare, you probably won't see it.

    It is wise for all collectors to get out and look at rare coins so they know what exists and
    what doesn't. This is doubly true in moderns since there aren't lots of books and knowledge
    on the subject.

    Almost all "investments" in collectibles turn into losers. Even when investors pick right they
    tend to hold too long or be saddled with overpriced coins.
    Tempus fugit.
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    personally, i don't consider barber coins "classics".

    K S

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