I guess GAI is the only company now that will grade Star basketball cards. They supposedly have an expert in spotting fakes. Do you think this is legit? Can it be trusted?
mid 80's Star cards are much rarer (the legit one's anyway) than 86' Fleer
But here's a question, since it is widely known that in the mid 90's Star Co. reprinted many of their mid 80's cards...how can one tell if they have a card printed in the 80's or 90's. I mean Star Co. used the same printing materials and proofs right?
aloof: SCD 7.5s have sold for ~$900-1200 on ebay, and SCD 8s $1700-2000+. From what I recall, there are no 9s, and I think there's a few 8.5s.
5th scale: It is known which cards were "reprinted" (mostly cards from the 85-86 set and some newly created sets). There is only speculation that they may have tried to also reprint other sets outside of the known list. As far as the reprinted cards go, they have a different look and feel to them. I collected the Star cards when they first came out and can definitely see a difference. I believe even if they used the same plates, the ink and paper stock would not be the same and are probably the reason for the differences. The patterns on the card would be the same though. For example one way to detect counterfeits in general is to magnify areas that weren't reproduced correctly, such as a solid line on a genuine card versus a broken line on a fake. If the original Star plates were used, you wouldn't see any of these types of differences.
I was heavily into Star during its heyday (early 90's) . Unfortunately, the whole series got tainted because of the reprints of a few issues.
As wallst32 mentioned, most of the cards reprinted were 85/86. Along with some of the subsets (Best of the Best, Best of the New) as well as sets that were "recently discovered a few years ago" (like the Bulls Arena set).
GAI has been getting some great items. An '84 Dallas Mint 9 bag recently sold for $300. How many of those are around?
the last i heard it was impossible to spot one batch of fakes. i'm sure someone more knowledgeable knows the specifics but i remember reading on this board a while back an individual actually printed off a bunch of sets in the early nineties using the original presses (star's president???). consequently there isn't any difference at all because technically the cards aren't fake, they were just reissued 5+ yrs after the original production.
I, too, was heavily into Star during its heyday (mid 1990's) . Unfortunately, as mentioned, the whole series got tainted because of the reprints of a few issues. I enjoyed collecting them - they were really nice, colorful cards. I was able to get Star Isiah, Ewing, Stocken, Akeem, etc,... but got screwed because they went down in value because of the fake scare...
Oh well, Live & learn or I like to say (as Tom Cruise says in the movie), "Sometimes you just gotta say, What the _____ "
I submitted an '86 Star Jordan (#18) Court King as part of the November special. I vividly recall pulling this item directly from a pack . . . in 1986!! Are you telling me this item will not be graded?
Sorry Meat, PSA does not grade Star cards. You won't be charged for that one though.
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<< <i>I submitted an '86 Star Jordan (#18) Court King as part of the November special. I vividly recall pulling this item directly from a pack . . . in 1986!! Are you telling me this item will not be graded? >>
<< <i>I, too, was heavily into Star during its heyday (mid 1990's) . Unfortunately, as mentioned, the whole series got tainted because of the reprints of a few issues. I enjoyed collecting them - they were really nice, colorful cards. I was able to get Star Isiah, Ewing, Stocken, Akeem, etc,... but got screwed because they went down in value because of the fake scare...
Oh well, Live & learn or I like to say (as Tom Cruise says in the movie), "Sometimes you just gotta say, What the _____ "
>>
I imagine 75% of my collection was focused on Star. They were so cool. There was nothing else like them in the world. Combine rarity, beauty, great player selection and a hot NBA market and you had it made.
I've oftened wondered where the Star market would be if it had not been for the reprints. Some of the cards would have softened (i.e. the Barkley rookie bag peaked at $1,000 when he was with the Suns). But I bet alot of them would have remained strong.
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But here's a question, since it is widely known that in the mid 90's Star Co. reprinted many of their mid 80's cards...how can one tell if they have a card printed in the 80's or 90's. I mean Star Co. used the same printing materials and proofs right?
From what I recall, there are no 9s, and I think there's a few 8.5s.
5th scale: It is known which cards were "reprinted" (mostly cards from the 85-86 set and some newly created sets). There is only speculation that they may have tried to also reprint other sets outside of the known list. As far as the reprinted cards go, they have a different look and feel to them. I collected the Star cards when they first came out and can definitely see a difference. I believe even if they used the same plates, the ink and paper stock would not be the same and are probably the reason for the differences. The patterns on the card would be the same though. For example one way to detect counterfeits in general is to magnify areas that weren't reproduced correctly, such as a solid line on a genuine card versus a broken line on a fake. If the original Star plates were used, you wouldn't see any of these types of differences.
Isn't this a clear conflict of interest????
As wallst32 mentioned, most of the cards reprinted were 85/86. Along with some of the subsets (Best of the Best, Best of the New) as well as sets that were "recently discovered a few years ago" (like the Bulls Arena set).
GAI has been getting some great items. An '84 Dallas Mint 9 bag recently sold for $300. How many of those are around?
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Oh well, Live & learn or I like to say (as Tom Cruise says in the movie), "Sometimes you just gotta say, What the _____ "
<< <i>I submitted an '86 Star Jordan (#18) Court King as part of the November special. I vividly recall pulling this item directly from a pack . . . in 1986!! Are you telling me this item will not be graded? >>
Star Co. cards came in packs?
I thought they only came in team sets?
<< <i>I, too, was heavily into Star during its heyday (mid 1990's) . Unfortunately, as mentioned, the whole series got tainted because of the reprints of a few issues. I enjoyed collecting them - they were really nice, colorful cards. I was able to get Star Isiah, Ewing, Stocken, Akeem, etc,... but got screwed because they went down in value because of the fake scare...
Oh well, Live & learn or I like to say (as Tom Cruise says in the movie), "Sometimes you just gotta say, What the _____ "
I imagine 75% of my collection was focused on Star. They were so cool. There was nothing else like them in the world. Combine rarity, beauty, great player selection and a hot NBA market and you had it made.
I've oftened wondered where the Star market would be if it had not been for the reprints. Some of the cards would have softened (i.e. the Barkley rookie bag peaked at $1,000 when he was with the Suns). But I bet alot of them would have remained strong.