Goetz Patterns: PCGS Graded Proof Prussia & Bavaria Sets

RBinTex

Are these good grades? Check PCGS submission number 3248778. Also have 1 original presentation case (box) for the Bavaria set.

lordmarcovan

LINE # CERT # COIN DATE DENOMINATION VARIETY COUNTRY GRADE
1 21781129 1913 P2 Mk Sch51G1 BAVARIA PR66BN
2 21781130 1913 P3 Mk Sch52G1 BAVARIA PR65BN
3 21781131 1913 P5 Mk Sch53G1 BAVARIA PR63BN
4 21781132 1913 P10 Mk Sch202aG1 BAVARIA PR66RB
5 21781133 1913-G P20 Mk Sch202G1 BAVARIA PR65RB
6 21781134 1913-G P2 Mk Sch111G3 PRUSSIA PR63RB
7 21781135 1913-G P3 Mk Sch113G1 PRUSSIA PR64RB
8 21781136 1913-G P5 Mk Sch114G2 PRUSSIA PR65RB
9 21781137 1913-G P10 Mk Sch253aG2 PRUSSIA PR63RB
10 21781138 1913-G P20 Mk Sch253G1 PRUSSIA PR64RB

Sounds pretty impressive.

1jester

Looks like there's some more friendly competition for Cosmic and Cacheman!!

Nice coins, RB!

ajaan

He's selling them on the BST if anyone is interested. No prices listed.

cosmicdebris

Looks like some nice grades. Got any images?

wildjag

<< <i>He's selling them on the BST if anyone is interested. No prices listed. >>



thanks for the heads up on these

RBinTex

Thanks for the link & the PCGS info posting guys.

PCGS just shipped these yesterday. Unfortunately images won't then probably be done until the Monday after FUN (1/17).

I think the Bavaria set with the original presentation case should go for around $750 & the Prussia set should go for around $850. Any thoughts?

cosmicdebris

Me thinks you got your prices backwards. The Bavarian Set with Original Case should be more than the Lower Graded Prussian set.

RBinTex

Thanks Bill.

OK $850 for the Bavaria set with the case & $750 for the Prussia set which never had a case issued originally (I think).

Gosh it's hard to worship Darth...

cosmicdebris

I believe both sets had boxes and are indistinguishable from each other.

astrorat

<< <i>I believe both sets had boxes and are indistinguishable from each other. >>



I believe Bill is right . . . but the prices for the sets must have jumped recently.

Lane

cacheman

The Prussian have always seemed to be a little more difficult to come by as opposed to the Bavarian. The sets were in boxes, but not $100 boxes. The price is started at the very high end too.

astrorat

<< <i>The price is started at the very high end too. >>



That's what I thought . . . a little over a year ago I picked up an original Bavarian set in the box for $550 . . . and that was retail. Of course, they were not certified . . . but who cares?

Lane

RBinTex

I'm flexible on the price. I was really looking for some guidance as to what was reasonable. These are not something I regularly deal with. Thanks for all the advice & opinions.

astrorat

My advice . . . keep them . . . they are wonderful coins from an amazing sculptor. Alternatively, done them to the ANA Money Museum so I can play with them.

Lane

RBinTex

Interesting you mention the ANA money museum. When I was a kid growing up in Manhattan, the money musuem used to be in midtown up on 6th Ave. in the 40's or 50's (I think). One day I finally got around to going there to learn they had just closed - for good in NY.

Between Christmas & New Years this year (2004) I took my kids to Colorado Springs & saw an advertisement for the new one there. We went only to find out they were closed for the week between the holidays.

So I'm 0 for 2 trying to see the place. I'm sure it is really cool with all they have there.

RBinTex

I thought it would be interesting to check the pops on these. If anyone has the PCGS coin number for the 1913 P 2 Mk I'd apopreciate it:

1 21781129 1913 P2 Mk Sch51G1 BAVARIA PR66BN PCGS COIN # ???
CURRENT POP: ???
2 21781130 1913 P3 Mk Sch52G1 BAVARIA PR65BN PCGS COIN # 306045
CURRENT POP: 2 64BN, 3 65BN, & 1 66BN + 2 63RD'S & 1 64RD (#306047) = 9 TOTAL
3 21781131 1913 P5 Mk Sch53G1 BAVARIA PR63BN PCGS COIN # 306553
CURRENT POP: 2 63BN & 1 65BN +1 ea 63RB, 64RB, 65RB, & 66RB (#306554) = 7 TOTAL
4 21781132 1913 P10 Mk Sch202aG1 BAVARIA PR66RB PCGS COIN # 1002242
CURRENT POP: 1 65RB & 2 66RB = 3 TOTAL *** TOP POP ***
5 21781133 1913-G (P???) P20 Mk Sch202G1 BAVARIA PR65RB PCGS COIN # 306057 (306590???)
CURRENT POP: 1 AU58BN (#306056) + 2 65RB'S + 1 64RD & 1 65RD (#306058) = 5 TOTAL
I think there might be a mechanical error on this one as it probably should NOT be 1913-G

Here is the best info I can discern for the Prussia set from the coin numbers & the current pops. I'm not sure if mine are included in the pop report yet but I don't think so:

6 21781134 1913-G P2 Mk Sch111G3 PRUSSIA PR63RB PCGS COIN # 306614
CURRENT POP: 63RB, 64RB, & 66RB = 3 TOTAL (NO BN's or RD's)
7 21781135 1913-G P3 Mk Sch113G1 PRUSSIA PR64RB PCGS COIN # 306608
CURRENT POP: 2 63RB & 2 64RB = 4 TOTAL (NO BN's or RD's) - *** TOP POP ***
8 21781136 1913-G P5 Mk Sch114G2 PRUSSIA PR65RB PCGS COIN # 306611
CURRENT POP: 62RB, 63RB, 64RB, & 65RB = 4 TOTAL (NO BN's or RD's) - *** TOP POP ***
9 21781137 1913-G P10 Mk Sch253aG2 PRUSSIA PR63RB PCGS COIN # 306067
CURRENT POP: 63RB & 65RB = 2 TOTAL (+ 1 65RD - #306068)
10 21781138 1913-G P20 Mk Sch253G1 PRUSSIA PR64RB PCGS COIN # 306033
CURRENT POP: 2 64RB & 2 66RB = 4 TOTAL (+1ea. 62BN & 64BN - #306032)

cosmicdebris

You may also want to checkout NGC's POPs for these.

cacheman

I hope the darkside doesn't become like the other forums..... Remember, it's the history.

cosmicdebris

You betcha. I can't wait until I get all the R.C. Bell books so I can add more info on the Conder Tokens as I aquire new ones instead of just images.