PC that is a good one. From what I know about Doug is he has made Millions and players usualy frown upon fans that keep special balls. This will open the door for all. Now most every fan will want a payday.
As an employee doesn't everything belong to his employer? Other than personal equipment, like bats, gloves, etc.? Not like he wasn't making enough already. How come some guy slinging sheetrock can put his kid thru college, but Dougie can't, making in a year what most do in a lifetime. Heh.
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The Red Sox should just offer him something for it. The ball should be in a museum somewhere, but at the same time, Mientkiewicz shouldn't screwed out of it either.
That's a tough call, but Mientkiewicz should be reasonable here. He played only a small role on this historic run, and by happenstance wound up with the ball. The team should give him some small token, and he should allow the ball to be displayed by the team (not sold by the team though) for years to come.
I was going to say the home team provides the balls, so I don't see how the Sox have any claim to it. But there is also a traditional usage doctrine that basically says if something is done a certain way for a long time, then it can supercede technicalities of law. If players are allowed to walk off with jerseys, bats, balls, etc. for generations, then a team can't all of a sudden say,"No, that's ours," at least not without compensating the player. If anything, the player would pay for the actual cost of the item in question, but get to retain posession. So Doug writes the Cards a check for $10, and it's his ball. Doug could be nice and allow it to be displayed in a museum, insured out the yingyang, but retain ownership.
Next thing you know, Steinbrenner will yank half the contents out of Cooperstown as Yankee property.
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I think he turn the ball over. Just becasue he caught the ball does'nt give him ownership of the ball. It should go to the owner of the club if he makes a request. Doug is an employee of the Boston Redsox. Who in the work place can just claim something and take it home?
As a college first baseman, I trotted off the field with many final out game balls. Not saying that an NAIA college baseball is the same as a significant World Series ball. It just happens.
I think we have all taken something from our employers!
Without this becoming a major deal in the courts, hasn't a precedent been set whereby players have just as much right to take a ball from the field of play as a fan does catching it?
The nature of the ball is what is making it special - this I understand - but based on history, the man has the right to keep the ball - unless he opts to give it up to the museum.
And unless some diehard Boston fans fight over the ball - if up for auction - the last out or how about the first out? I think the abounding significance of that ball eludes me. Now if the series went 7 games and Ortiz hit a round tripper to win the WS - now that would excite me much more - just my take - not worth the price of admission to CU forums.
your friend Mike
edit: great thread Boggs! Thanx for posting the story.
Protocol in this matter is the player that has it last owns it. When Faulke was running the ball to 1st base I thought at the time that he wanted the ball. Then he threw it to first. Fews years back a stadium worker caught a home run ball of significance and the Team strong armed him into giving it up. They said it was the property of the team. Baseball players though have always been able to keep such historic momentos. I believe Doug M is the rightful owner. i like how some jamoke offered him 500.00 for it. Hey Doug Ill give 600.00!
Here's what I don't get. If the Red Sox are so interested in saving "history" for their "museum", why did they let home plate, pitcher's mound, and the bases get away in Leland's recent auction:
Do as Upper Deck would and chop the sucker up stick the little pieces of the ball in cards or frame them and every red sox player get's a piece along wither the red sox organization. I'm tottaly again't cutting up jersey's, balls, skates, whatever however in this case go ahead.. If they win again within the next 5 years the value of that ball will drop and it won't seem as important anymore anyway.
All the media attention is just making the ball worth even more. There are plenty of crazy and rich BoSox fans out there that I wouldn't be surprised if that ball hits the $500K mark.
Yeah Steinbrenner should buy it and sacrafice it to the yankee gods. He's buying everything else to get himself another championship he may as well do that as well.
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James
Not like he wasn't making enough already. How come some guy slinging sheetrock can put his kid thru college, but Dougie can't, making in a year what most do in a lifetime.
Heh.
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Next thing you know, Steinbrenner will yank half the contents out of Cooperstown as Yankee property.
2005 Origins Old Judge Brown #/20 and Black 1/1s, 2000 Ultimate Victory Gold #/25
2004 UD Legends Bake McBride autos & parallels, and 1974 Topps #601 PSA 9
Rare Grady Sizemore parallels, printing plates, autographs
Nothing on ebay
James
I would gladly milk the greedy game for all its worth. Its the american way.
Loves me some shiny!
Screw the Man!
Cowboy Up
looks like the distractions have begun
.......so much for that magical team chemistry
I think we have all taken something from our employers!
The nature of the ball is what is making it special - this I understand - but based on history, the man has the right to keep the ball - unless he opts to give it up to the museum.
And unless some diehard Boston fans fight over the ball - if up for auction - the last out or how about the first out? I think the abounding significance of that ball eludes me. Now if the series went 7 games and Ortiz hit a round tripper to win the WS - now that would excite me much more - just my take - not worth the price of admission to CU forums.
your friend
Mike
edit: great thread Boggs! Thanx for posting the story.
I think he should keep it [we could use him].
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Bosox WS stuff
Displaying home plate seems a whole lot cooler to me, not to mention rarer. If home plate is worth $40 grand, what's the ball worth?
That's a good point! I wonder how they would argue that point...then again...maybe now, they have regrets?
your friend
Mike