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Can you tell if this is a SMS by these pics?

JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I have this Wash in a Whitman album and I believe it is a non SMS coin. Can anyone who knows how the heck to tell these apart let me know what it really is by these pics? Thanks in advance.
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Some coins are just plain "Interesting"

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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    It's an SMS, it has die polish on the obverse.. Trademark of the 65 SMS Washington.
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Marty, I better slow down looking at all those Lincoln's and start looking at silver again.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    Also appears tp have a wire rim showing on the obverse side!
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭


    << <i>Thanks Marty, I better slow down looking at all those Lincoln's and start looking at silver again. >>



    They're not silver
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You are right Ken- Good eyeimage
    You know Pharmer- I thought about my comment before I posted it and had the feeling someone would call me on that comment. I was speaking in generic terms, but I guess I should have said so.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • MillertimeMillertime Posts: 2,048 ✭✭
    Would someone be so kind as to tell me hat SMS means? Thanks.
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  • Spiffy469Spiffy469 Posts: 661 ✭✭
    ditto.....

    I collect bits and pieces of everything
    or should I say I ACCUMULATE!
    I also dabble with the darkside image

    Ive recently gotten more into currency, especially modern star notes
  • FullStepJeffsFullStepJeffs Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Would someone be so kind as to tell me hat SMS means? Thanks. >>



    SMS coins usually don't wear hats... but they are Special and they come from Mint Sets... therefore SMS imageimage
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  • MillertimeMillertime Posts: 2,048 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Would someone be so kind as to tell me hat SMS means? Thanks. >>



    SMS coins usually don't wear hats... but they are Special and they come from Mint Sets... therefore SMS imageimage >>



    Very, very funny. It only took me 20 minutes to get the hat part.image I thought you were the one that had a few too many (judging by your smiley guy)! So much for proofreading. Why are they called Special Mint Sets?
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  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    In 1965,66 and 67, the mint did not offer mint sets or proof sets. They produced hybrid sets known as a Special Mint Set. The coins were prooflike, but not proofs.
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
  • MillertimeMillertime Posts: 2,048 ✭✭


    << <i>In 1965,66 and 67, the mint did not offer mint sets or proof sets. They produced hybrid sets known as a Special Mint Set. The coins were prooflike, but not proofs. >>




    Why are they worth considerably less (according to the PCGS prices) than non SMS? Were the mintage numbers higher?
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  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    PCGS chose to include the regular issue coins in the registry as a seperate entity, in addition to the SMS coins. Many of the mid to late die state SMS coins look like regular coins. PCGS tends to holder any nice coin that's submitted from those years as SMS since they cannot be certain the coin is a regular circulation strike. That decision has made it difficult for registry collectors to find higher grade coins in non-SMS holders to complete their registry sets. The holder is rare, the coin isn't. Generally, if a coin has sharp rims, or any indication of prooflike surfaces, it's considered an SMS coin. The die polish just inside the right rim of the Washington pictured is quite typical of the 65 SMS Washington. That's what it likely is.
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
  • MillertimeMillertime Posts: 2,048 ✭✭


    << <i>PCGS chose to include the regular issue coins in the registry as a seperate entity, in addition to the SMS coins. Many of the mid to late die state SMS coins look like regular coins. PCGS tends to holder any nice coin that's submitted from those years as SMS since they cannot be certain the coin is a regular circulation strike. That decision has made it difficult for registry collectors to find higher grade coins in non-SMS holders to complete their registry sets. The holder is rare, the coin isn't. Generally, if a coin has sharp rims, or any indication of prooflike surfaces, it's considered an SMS coin. The die polish just inside the right rim of the Washington pictured is quite typical of the 65 SMS Washington. That's what it likely is. >>



    Is the die polish you describe on the right of the obverse the area inside the rim that looks slightly rounded or filleted instead of a sharp corner like the top of the rim? Thanks for your clear and precise answers, I still have a lot of the finer points to learn.
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  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    SMS coins are not worth less than business strike coins


    they have more higher grade coins percentage wise with SMS



    just think of a recent year -> a PR 68 of something would not be worh as much as a MS 68 of the same coin -

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