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image I did a review of my coin purchases for 2004 and found I was all over the place and made some poor coin purchases. My resolution for 2005 is to be more selective in the coins I purchase.image Here are some coins that I have my eye on and would like to get some thoughts from you guy's on these. All pictures are the sellers. Thank You in advance for all your comments, Lee

1861 IH PCI MS-64 Virtually Mark Free Surfaces $229
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Prices Realized PCGS/NGC: $414, $287, $425


1889 IH NGC MS-65 RB A well struck gem with deep, attractive burgundy color. In an old NGC Holder $449
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Prices Realized PCGS/NGC: $299, $265, $259


1899 IH NTC MS-66 RB Superb luster and 80% Red. $259
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Prices Realized PCGS/NGC: $106 (NGC 65), $253 (NGC 66), $259 (NGC 66)


Buffalo Nickel 1937-D PCGS MS-66 Light Golden Gem $85
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Prices Realized PCGS/NGC: $92, $54, $63, $92


Buffalo Nickel 1938-D PCGS MS-66 Light Golden Gem $59
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Prices Realized PCGS/NGC: $59, $52

RAW 1944-S Jefferson Gem BU Rainbow Toned $50
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Prices Realized PCGS/NGC: $178 (65 FS), $26 (66), $18 (66)


RAW 1986 Golden DCAM Proof Jefferson with Blue Toned Halo $15
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Prices Realized PCGS/NGS in PR69 DCAM: $13, $17, $18

RAW 1987-S Golden DCAM Jefferson. Reverse has killer Blue Rim Toning $10
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Prices Realized PCGS/NGC in PR69 DCAM: $17, $22


RAW 1957 Gem++ Cameo Proof Roosevelt (close to DCAM) $100
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RAW 1957 Gem Cameo Proof Roosevelt $65
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Prices Realized PCGS/NGC: $20 (66 Cam), $18 (67 Cam), $127 (69 Cam), $75 (69 Cam)

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  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Those Buffie nickels are sweet!
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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    The NTC cent is overgraded by at least one point and maybe 2 points, giving the benefit of the doubt. From the photo I don't care for its appearance either. You can buy 99's in red all day long in 64 reds that look better. I'd bet the 89 IHC is a killer in hand. I really like red and blue MS cents and it looks properly graded, however it is a little pricey, but I have a hunch its a coin you would hand onto for a very long time. The 61 is a good date to own however it looks like its has spots of verdigris growning along the edges. Your call whether or not this bothers you. The rest of the coins I don't know enough about to comment on.
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lee,

    I would pass on the PCI-64 1861 indian head. I dont like the coin as a problem free 64. Thier is some corrosion spots at the outer edges and the color is medicore. I recently sold an ANACS-64 1861 on e-bay for just under 200.00 that was much better than this coin. JUST MO, BECUASE YOU ASKED!
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also,

    I agree with Irish mike the 1899 Indian head is overgraded, and easily found nicer.

    The 38-d Buffalo can be found nice easily and inexpensive. This coin is below average for a 38-d, not to mentionthe partial finger print on the reverse!!!!
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I should save the modern stuff for Don, Marty, russ and the boys, but

    the 44-s Nickel looks AT

    and the first 57 Dime Obverse wont even make Cam

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I will be honest and admit that I noticed your buying habits were scatter-shot and that I did not like many of the coins you linked on the boards as I thought many had problems. As for these pieces-

    1861 PCI MS64 IHC has corrosion on the reverse edge.

    1889 NGC MS65RB IHC looks like a very nice coin, I wonder how dark it is in-hand, the price is steep for that color.

    1899 NTC MS66RB IHC does not look original at all and has likely been dipped and retoned; the 1899 IHCs typically come with terrific color.

    1937-D PCGS MS66 Buff looks nice but I don't know about the price.

    1938-D PCGS MS66 Buff looks like it has two cuts on the Native American's cheek and a partial fingerprint beneath the bison, this date comes very nice and so this is not a good buy, but the price is in the ball park for what these usually go for.

    The raw coins are all complete losers at these prices, you may as well give your money away.
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  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    image Great comments So Far!!! jdimmick and TomB apreciate your honesty!!!!!!!! image Lee
  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,289 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMHO all of the slabbed coins your showing here are overgraded or low-end for the grade. Thats not a bad thing if your able to buy at a significant discount. The only one that is close it the 37-d Buffalo, still looks low for the grade but not way over priced as some of the others are. I cannot comment on the Jeff's or Rossies as I do not follow those series.

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  • zennyzenny Posts: 1,547 ✭✭


    << <i>image I did a review of my coin purchases for 2004 and found I was all over the place and made some poor coin purchases. My resolution for 2005 is to be more selective in the coins I purchase.image Here are some coins that I have my eye on and would like to get some thoughts from you guy's on these. All pictures are the sellers. Thank You in advance for all your comments, Lee

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    You've shown us photos of mint state IHC's, mint state Buffalo nickels, mint state and proof Jefferson Nickels, and proof Roosevelt dimes.

    Some might consider this to be somewhat "all over the place."

    You've shown us PCI and NTC slabs, and raw coins, of which some may seem a little pricey.

    Some might consider these as right fine stepping stones to "some poor coin purchases."

    Do you have a focus? It's not quite clear.

    It's nice to make resolutions, and as you've stated them above, your intentions seem to make sense. I'm just not sure you're off to a great start with this post.

    Of course on the positive side, you seem to be taking the criticisms seriously, and perhaps will be able to sharpen your focus and, most importantly, begin to weed out the bad purchases before you even contemplate them.

    z
  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    Very interesting cud or break on the 1938 Indian's mouth, makes him look like he's drooling. Buffalo for dinner maybe?image
    Becky
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Can't overemphasize too much that coins like the 89 cent really need to be seen in person to be properly evaluated unless you know the seller or have a return privelege. I disagree that it is over graded, however as I and Tom pointed out its no bargain at that price, however as I said before it could be a coin you will want to hang onto for a very long time.
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Might I suggest, if possible, you go to a show instead of buying online? And don't even buy at the show--just look. See all the coins you can, and see how the big 3 are grading them, and then how they're being priced. Arm yourself with knowledge before you buy. Then, you can decide what you really want (it may be type, it may be a series) and you can learn more about it specifically. THEN, you can go buy and be confident, whether you are buying online, or in person.

    That said, I like the 1889 IHC, but not at that price--the color doesn't seem worth anything near the premium, especially since it seems like it will be quite dark. Remember, with patience, you'll get the best coins at the best prices--two of my prizes came after 4-12 months of waiting, looking, and having a dealer look for me.

    That said, here's an IHC, NGC MS64BN, I picked up over the summer. It was only $72, and I personally like it more than the ones you've posted--it's totally original, has pretty color, isn't dark (like the 1889), and was a solid coin at a great price--a coin I'm always happy to look at (scratches are on the holder).

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    PS- I agree with Tom's analysis
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1861 NTC Indian almost looks cleaned. Unless I was an Indian cent specialist I would rarely touch an NTC or off-brand specimen.

    The 1889 MS65RB Indian has way too much high point discoloration and what I call shiny spots (friction or color breaks).
    Even without that it appears somewhat lackluster. The Indian appears to have been in a losing boxing match with all that dark high point color (cheek, diamonds, lower feather tips, etc). Color needs to be uniform over the high points. The reason it is different is that the luster is broken underneath and it toned differently where luster actually was.

    The 1899 Indian looks orange vice red so I agree with Tom.
    NTC copper? Forget it. That one would likely be bagged.

    The 1937d buff has similar high point discolorations similar to the 1889 cent. One almost has to accept this on early bust coins, but I don't expect to see it on gem buffs.

    For every NTC winner you think have, there will be 4 losers to accompany it that will just kill you.


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  • Lee,

    You are all over the yard again AND looking at poor choices with the PCI and NTC stuff !

    Played that game last year some and its a money loser !

    Heres my plan for 2005.

    NGC and PCGS ! ONLY (well maybe an ANACS here and there)

    Complete my 57 Proof Registry sets on both sides of the street (i should have only 1, but bouncing around has forced me into building 2 ! )

    Buy some stuff to flip and fuel the monster.

    If you buy Raw,buy it sight seen or dirt cheap,so it doesnt hurt too bad.

    New coin submissions are going to NGC only (unless i need the plastic to fill a hole)

    Now in your case,i would recommend you work on that Birth Year Proof Set !

    Think about it,you like toners and 57 Proofs dont come along toned all that often from what i have seen (read that as expensive as well).

    You like high grade Proofs (not cheap)

    You could spend the next 5 years looking for high grade Proof toners that you need for the set,if you bounce around are ya gonna have the change when that Toned 57 Linky in 68 CAM (pop of 19 total between PCGS and NGC) shows up ?

    Sure,i love buying shineys,it's way more fun than searching !

    Keep your powder dry and wait on the coin you like and need !
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  • Lee,

    The first Roosie wont Cam,2 is a maybe,why buy raw ?

    Slabbed roosies are cheap,might take some work to find a toner though.
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  • I, too, have resolved to be more selective and only buy "coins that matter".
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    I have to defend that 89 cent. The color makes it look like it is marked and non-lustrous and probable it is not as dark as the photo says. They are very difficult to photograph esp. in an NGC slab. Here is one of mine that looks similar. There are no hits on the cheek, and it is very lustrous to say the least. 2 photos of same coin taken with different lighting. This is why it needs to be seen in person.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe so, but discoloration showed in a photo is real no matter how you slice it. But agree that one needs to see it in person. But I'd bet that the likelihood is greater that the coin has problems. There are too many other choices out there to waste postage on something that appears to have problems. And if I saw the first 2nd photo where the lighting showed everything washed away in brilliance, I wouldn't order it either.

    And for what it's worth I've made several poor purchases in 2004 that I regret now. All we can do is try to eliminate them in 2005.

    roadrunner
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