New darkside gold 1913 British 1/2 sovereign...is indeed a fake

MSD61

Came in the mail this week

AuldFartte

Yummm ... gold ... That's a neat piece

MSD61

Thanks

Darkhorse

Sure it's real?

theboz11

<< <i>Sure it's real? >>



The Scarf does not match the year and the weak reverse are very suspect.

MSD61

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<< <i>Sure it's real? >>



The Scarf does not match the year and the weak reverse are very suspect. >>



Okay, but how about more info before I go blasting the seller. How do I tell??

MSD61

Man, I've been looking over a image of an 1913 1/2 sovereign and I can't tell but the cape looks like the one in the image I am comparing with. As far as the weak reverse well, it's really worn on all the high points.

Emperor

I found the coin you bought through your feedback and it states your coin would be EF-AU - the reverse of the picture you showed is nowhere near EF IMHO.

MSD61

Sellers image

Makarovii

Here's a scan of my ANACS MS61 1914 Sov for comparison.

theboz11

I'm no expert on these.. I spotted this in Lonesome John's Detecting Counterfeit Gold Coins Book 2...Now I'm assuming the half Sovn. is the same design as the full Sovn. The scarf flowing from the helmet is different on yours than what this photo says is original.

Darkhorse

Here's another 1913 half on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=58526&item=3949093518&rd=1

MSD61

Now I see what you mean. I took out my 10x loupe and saw a few other things that didn't look right on the reverse and on the obverse of the coin after looking at all the information you kind folks gave me. I am no expert on gold or these coins but I can tell when something doesn't look right. Under 10 power I can see all types of imperfections in the strike around the horse,George's portrait and the rim on the reverse. It seems I have bought myself a first class fake. And to make things worse I can not return the coin because I removed it from the 2x2 cardboard flip it came in. The seller will not take it back once it was removed. I am going ahead and emailing this seller to at least let him know what he sold me was a counterfeit. I feel well....pretty foolish.

Thanks folks for all your help.
Micheál

MSD61

spinaker2000

Don't feel so bad, At least you were in it for less than $100. It coulda been a lot worse.

farthing

I assume that the coin is still made from gold and not just gold plated? Can't say that I follow the fake gold threads much - would it be made from a lower fineness of gold or would the maker use the same fineness and just count on the difference in the price of the gold and it's numismatic value to make money? I assume the answer to this probably depends on where the fake came from - China or the Middle East.

MSD61

<< <i>Don't feel so bad, At least you were in it for less than $100. It coulda been a lot worse. >>



You're right spinaker it could have been worse. looking on the bright side I know what a forged 1913 1/2 sovereign looks like now



<< <i> I assume that the coin is still made from gold and not just gold plated? Can't say that I follow the fake gold threads much - would it be made from a lower fineness of gold or would the maker use the same fineness and just count on the difference in the price of the gold and it's numismatic value to make money? I assume the answer to this probably depends on where the fake came from - China or the Middle East. >>



I don't know, I guess it is still gold but I have no idea where it was made.

canadiancoinguy

Probably a Lebanese fake, and if so, it's a decent piece of scrap 22k.

theboz11

If you pressed the seller for a refund on a Counterfeit piece that was not advertised as such, I believe that he should take it back. Regardless of whether it was removed. Ebay does frown on counterfeits.

cosmicdebris

Seller is an ANA member and has this for a return policy:

<<LONESTAR COINS & COLLECTIBLES PROMISE & COMMITMENT TO YOU: If you are not satisfied with your purchase then we are not satisfied! Simply return the lot to us within 14 days of the purchase for a full refund of your final bid price - no questions asked! Coins must be in their original sealed holder to be eligible for a refund. >>

I'd return it.

GDJMSP

<< <i>If you pressed the seller for a refund on a Counterfeit piece that was not advertised as such, I believe that he should take it back. Regardless of whether it was removed. Ebay does frown on counterfeits. >>




So does the law. Counterfeit coins can be returned at any time - period.