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As mentioned on another post, I bought a paper wrapped role of 1896 P Morgans recently. All of them are mint state, most are banged up quite a bit.

I stuck one of the coins under my Christmas gift microscope and I noted doubled stars. All of the stars are doubled strongly. I opened up my handy Van Allen and Mallis and can't find this particular coin. The closest is VAM 4 with doubled stars, doubled 6 in the date.

My coin has strongly doubled stars and doubling on the top of the letters UNUM. No doubling anywhere else. The stars are strongly doubled.

Here are some images taken through the microscope. Any suggestions?

By the way, more than one of the coins from the roll exhibit this very strong doubling.

Rick
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  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    I've got the old book too, guess I need to spring for the new oneimage
    Becky
  • Hmm do you mean I need a new book? I have one on order. Is this VAM in the latest edition?
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  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    There have been about a bazillion new vams found since 1991 when Van Allen and Mallis published their book. You have to keep up on the updates to keep up with them. Have you been to Vamlink for the updates?
    Becky
  • Yes I watch that as well as Ashmore's website; have not seen anything like this.

    Rick
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  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,659 ✭✭✭
    No suggestions here, sorry. Send it to Leroy or ANACS for attribution.
  • I emailed Leroy about it. Thanks
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  • The doubling in the 6 doesn't look significant to me. I would rule out a 4. Unfortunately most of the diagnostics for the '96 are in the date, particularly the 6.

    It does look like a low date to me. Is the 1 close to Liberty's neck? Is there any doubling in the ear?
    Bill
  • Bill I agree on the date there does not appear to be any doubling, nor on the ear. UNUM doubling is not listed anywhere either, as far as I could find, I have ruled out the 4 myself but I am not all that skilled in the identification of the non-1878 VAMs. I will take a photo of the coin showing date and ear this evening when I get home from work.

    The star doubling is very strong across all obverse stars. A very interesting and attractive error, in my opinion.

    Thanks for taking the time to help me with this one. I've got 17 of the things out of one roll and they are consistent. The date diagnostic for 1896 P VAMs just do not seem to fit this coin.

    Rick


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  • RVDavisRVDavis Posts: 1,137
    Latest update on this coin:

    The eyelid is doubled. There are no 1896 P VAMs listed with eyelid doubling.

    Hours of studying the date of a number of the coins convince me there is not a doubled date. The 6 does have extra metal in the left inside lower loop however it does not appear to be doubled.

    The star doubling is very strong and consistent. VAM 4's description and photos in the VAM book show strong doubling on stars 1 & 2, left and right. My coin shows that level of doubling on all 13 starts.

    The date is very low and shifted quite significantly left, as in the VAM 4

    Cotton bolls have die polishing lines in the stalks, as do all the letters in LIBERTY.

    So, it would be nice to have bought a roll of mint state Top 100 VAMs but doesn't look like it is so. This coin looks mor einteresting that the VAM 4, 5 or 6 but them's the breaks it would be nice to have a new VAM discovery coin if that is the case. Leroy Van Allen has graciouslly offered to review the coin and it has been sent I will update this thread when the results are in.

    Rick
    Proud recipient of YOU SUCK more than once and less than 100 times.
  • RVDavisRVDavis Posts: 1,137
    Leroy Van Allen looked at two of these coins, they are VAM 4. I appreciate everyone's help.

    I'm wondering if anyone needs an 1896 VAM 4 for a Top 100 set? Got to many of the things now. LOL

    Rick
    Proud recipient of YOU SUCK more than once and less than 100 times.
  • jdsinvajdsinva Posts: 1,508
    You don't appear to have your PM function turned on. I don't wish to discuss particulars here since the forum police may be watching!image

    Jeff
    Jeff

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  • RVDavisRVDavis Posts: 1,137
    Hey Jeff, I do not know how to do the PM I will be glad to PM with you if I can figure the thing out.
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  • jdsinvajdsinva Posts: 1,508
    If you click on PROFILE button at the top of the message thread, this will take you to your profile page. Scroll down a bit until you find TURN ON PRIVATE MESSAGES or something like that. Then save it and then I'll be able to PM you.

    Jeff
    Jeff

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  • RVDavisRVDavis Posts: 1,137
    Thanks for the guidance, Jeff mission accomplished.

    Rick
    Proud recipient of YOU SUCK more than once and less than 100 times.
  • jdsinvajdsinva Posts: 1,508
    Rick,

    PM was sent, look for the flashing lock icon at the top of any CU forum page and click on it.

    Jeff
    Jeff

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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congratulations on the find! PM sent. image

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