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Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
(I figure the best way to learn to spot it, aside from extensive reading, which I've done, is to practice it myself - No, I'm never going to try and sell them, as doctored coins or not)
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<< <i>1896-O Morgan dollars are expensive in grades of AU-50 and above, and therefore, I consider this example, encapsulated by NTC, to be a "coin-doctor special". Although routinely denounced by many dealers and collectors for shoddy grading, the NTC grade in this particular case accurately describes the coin. Based on my coin dealing experience, I am certain that this coin could be cracked out, and with a little toning applied, it could be slabbed by PCGS or NGC. >>
This is absolute hogwash. Does the board member who is running this auction care to explain this statement?
Baloney! I think the graders at NGC and/or PCGS be be able to tell that an AU cleaned coin has been doctored/toned and is not original.
Mike
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K6AZ, the person who is running the auction is NOT a board member here. He is a member of the NGC forum since he was banned by PCGS from this forum. I must admit that this auction had me scratching my head in disbelief. Looks like someone had a bit too much egg nog over the holiday weekend..........
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<< <i>Does the board member who is running this auction care to explain this statement?
K6AZ, the person who is running the auction is NOT a board member here. He is a member of the NGC forum since he was banned by PCGS from this forum. I must admit that this auction had me scratching my head in disbelief. Looks like someone had a bit too much egg nog over the holiday weekend.......... >>
Really? You mean there is someone else on eBay that uses the exact terms that you use in your auctions?
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<< <i>Does the board member who is running this auction care to explain this statement?
K6AZ, the person who is running the auction is NOT a board member here. He is a member of the NGC forum since he was banned by PCGS from this forum. I must admit that this auction had me scratching my head in disbelief. Looks like someone had a bit too much egg nog over the holiday weekend.......... >>
Really? You mean there is someone else on eBay that uses the exact terms that you use in your auctions?
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I believe they use to be business partners, if I remember correctly. They aren't anymore.
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OK, so who is this member that is now on the NGC board?
The company is EarlyUS.com and the member is James Garcia. No association to our company, Jade Rare Coin. However, if you are looking for your daily "trash and thrash" witch hunt, you are barking up the wrong tree with James, as he is one of the more honest guys in the business.
I think that he is making some sort of a commentary or hidden message with his strange eBay auction. James is known to be provocative and controversial, but when it comes to buying and selling coins, he is squeaky clean.....completely honest, knowledgeable, friendly and true to his word.
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Eric, you may be recalling the situation where "JadeRareCoin" and James Garcia were partners, using multiple ID's, feedbacking each other, etc. That's what probably created the confusion. I did look at the "earlyus" ID history, and none of the old ID's showed up -- there were quite a few.
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Doug, in the past I have ignored your slanderous comments, however you have now crossed the line. If you are accusing Jade Rare Coin of having multiple ID's and "feedbacking" each other, then you are fabricating lies with the intent to cause damage to our reputation. Why you continue to ATTEMPT to damage our reputation is beyond me. Probably because your past attempts showed what a fool you are to the entire forum and now you have a vendetta. We have nothing to hide and your comments are without foundation or fact.
Jade Rare Coin (jaderarecoin) runs some of the highest quality auctions on eBay: conservative descriptions, $0.01 No Reserve, 15 day return, etc., etc. If you don't believe it, then just ask the many forum members who have dealt with us in the distant past and the recent past.....and even currently as we prepare to sue you. Go ahead and ask.
Our attorney has been contacted and you will be dealing with your slanderous remarks in short order.
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I can't speak on James though, as I have not personally dealt with him...
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Dennis, all I commented on was the multiple ID thing, and the feedbacking each other. Here is a post about it from April 22, 2003, where you admitted all the facts I stated, and even threw in a couple of other ID's I didn't know about. So cut the crap about threatening a lawsuit. You have already admitted the facts were true. Eric seemed to be confusing you and James, and for good reason.
DMWJR SAID: Quote by Dennis Tarrant and James Garcia from the dispute last August: Finally, it's laughable to imply that we've hidden our selling activity on ebay! We originally sold under two separate handles and our individual feedback is perfect! Dennis and I merged companies a couple of years ago, thus the merged feedback that someone mentioned. AND we voluntarily unregistered our account per ebay procedures. To put it bluntly, we LOST money selling on ebay, which is why we bailed on it.
Jadecoin History of ID's on Ebay:
James Garcia operating under "Wildorchyd" from 2-22-99 to 8-30-99, "user merged with jadecoin"
Dennis Tarrant operating under "Jadecoin" from 3-15-99 to 3/9/02 (user suspended)
Dennis Tarrant also operating under "Jadecoins" from 4-7-99 to 11-11-99; user merged, but don't know with whom
Gap of activity from 3-9-02 to 12-12-02 (suspension period maybe?)
Tarrant and Garcia currently operating under "earlyUS" from 12-12-02 to present
Latest Quote from Garcia andTarrant:
Eventually we decided to meet at a Chicago area show for a formal reunion and we started buying and selling coins together. Rather quickly, we decided that we should start a coin company. We formed jade Coin Co, LLC in 1999. James came up with the name: "JA" for James and "DE" for Dennis. It could have been "Deja Coin Co", but that had a funny ring to it.. We merged our personal collections together to form our initial stock. It was a very modest and unpretentious inventory, to say the least!
You were using the "Jadecoin" Ebay handle as of 3-15-00, which means "James and Dennis," so you knew that you were doing business together.
Further, you didn't set up jade Coin Company, LLC as a registered Michigan LLC until August 29, 2000, a year and a half after you were doing business on Ebay as "jadecoin."
Between March 15, 1999 and August 3, 1999, you guys left the following feedback to yourselves:
Apr-20-99 1:18:37 PST
Praise: quick transaction, coins were much better than described, recommended very highly!
Apr-26-99 03:43:25 PST 91488600
Praise : Top gentleman, scholar, businessman. Much depth/breadth of numismatic knowledge!
Apr-26-99 08:23:59 PST 91488600
Praise: SUPERIOR customer, extraordinary coin savvy, a definite pleasure to deal with
May-12-99 02:58:18 PST
Praise: Truly a phenomenal customer, recognizes excellence in coin quality and packaging
Aug-03-99 05:49:46 PST
Praise: delivered coin in person, PHENOMENAL SELLER, eBay's BEST, Thanks Dennis!
Before you go nuts, this is all public information gained through your selling pages on EBay, and the public records on-line from the State of Michigan.
Please explain, and clarify any points I have gotten wrong.
jade REPLY: Everything you stated in this point seems absolutely true, as were our responses. But it just doesn't seem real condemning, even af first glance. At the time when James was using "Wildorchyd" and Dennis was using "MisterT5" to buy and sell coins on ebay, they had had no contact since graduating from the same high school - IN 1986! In fact, contact was not re-established until 1999 - when James sold a coin to Dennis, and they realized upon exchanging addresses that they knew each other. This is a completely true story.
We decided to start a coin company - a dream we had both had in high school. "wildorchyd" became "jadecoin", and "mistert5" became "jadecoins". For a while, we used one handle to buy coins, and the other handle to sell. We later merged our feedback (which took nearly a year on ebay) and continued to buy and sell coins as a merged "jadecoins". Not mentioned in DMWJR's research is that James had another handle, "jade_cc", which was also merged.
So cut the crap about threatening a lawsuit.
Too late.
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But DMWJR, What on earth are you talking about? Did you really understand the meaning of what you posted in reference to Jade Coins?
IMO it appears that you have an agenda.
As far as present company and everyone else, please leave the playground stuff off the message boards. Hopefully everyone is grown-up enough not to have to "get back" at someone or get the last word. Get over it and move on. Uncle out.
Joe.
It may be a bit of a stretch saying that the coin will easily be slabbed with a touch of added toning......I think the graders have caught on to that loooooong ago.
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I've found Jade Rare Coins guys to be very honest in their discriptions and actually a ton of laughs
and fun to talk too at shows. I find the ad seeking "coindoctors" hysterical and has anyone really missed
the fact it's a joke? I mean the coin is already toned and in a NCS holder for damaged/altered coins isn't it?
Actually I think it would be funny if the names of REAL doctors show up on their bidder list and here later!!!
<< <i>OK, so who is this member that is now on the NGC board?
The company is EarlyUS.com and the member is James Garcia. No association to our company, Jade Rare Coin. However, if you are looking for your daily "trash and thrash" witch hunt, you are barking up the wrong tree with James, as he is one of the more honest guys in the business.
I think that he is making some sort of a commentary or hidden message with his strange eBay auction. James is known to be provocative and controversial, but when it comes to buying and selling coins, he is squeaky clean.....completely honest, knowledgeable, friendly and true to his word. >>
No witch hunt here Jade, I'm just confused. At the time you posted your auction terms here, that seller was the only seller on eBay using those terms. As far as mix'n'match IDs, I have no knowledge of that and will steer clear of it.
The fact remains that we have an eBay seller claiming that by artificially toning a coin it will get graded at PCGS. Again I will say that is absolute BS, I've submitted enough coins to know that a coin like that would never get by the graders.
No witch hunt here Jade, I'm just confused. At the time you posted your auction terms here, that seller was the only seller on eBay using those terms. As far as mix'n'match IDs, I have no knowledge of that and will steer clear of it.
The fact remains that we have an eBay seller claiming that by artificially toning a coin it will get graded at PCGS. Again I will say that is absolute BS, I've submitted enough coins to know that a coin like that would never get by the graders.
K6AZ, I now see what you were asking. Sorry for jumping to conclusions. Regarding the auction by earlus on eBay, I am sure that James is just trying to make a point or commentary. Again, he is known for being controversial and not afraid to speak his mind. Sometimes he goes "over the top" with his auctions. If you click back through his feedback and check prior auctions, you will have a good laugh. He's quite the comedian. I did not know of the auction until braddick posted it here. I will ask James to explain the underlying meaning and I will post it here for him, or ask him to post it on the NGC forum, where he is a member.
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that a coin which was already refused at NGC, would be taken as a serious candidate with a little "doctoring"as OK at NGC!
I genuinally think this was an attempt at humer--- and a slam at disruptable Ebay sellers/doctors. We didn't learn
much though--surprise! Mr Thigpen is the high bidder (I suppose he lusts after another cheapy to drill more holes!!!)
<< <i>K6AZ-- You know that 99% of the time I agree with you K6 but I think in this case it never occured to the seller
that a coin which was already refused at NGC, would be taken as a serious candidate with a little "doctoring"as OK at NGC!
I genuinally think this was an attempt at humer--- and a slam at disruptable Ebay sellers/doctors. We didn't learn
much though--surprise! Mr Thigpen is the high bidder (I suppose he lusts after another cheapy to drill more holes!!!)
Actually, I'm going to AT it and stick it in a Coin World slab with a PCGS Label in it.
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