Grade please? MS64RB?

icollect

Mind to tell me your opinion? Thanks.

spinaker2000

looks unc to me.

newsman

I'm guessing there's a little wear on the dragon's face, so I'll say AU.

ajaan

I'm going with Ch. AU. Might make MS62 at a TPG.

lordmarcovan

What the mushroom said.

Askari

AU-55

coinkat

I like it as an unc... no more than 62

JoesMaName

If I were to bid for this item based on the standard "look at the picture and bid accordingly" line, I would guess that the owner used the best possible picture of the item and would expect to receive a nice AU or with luck an MS62ish coin.

icollect

Looks like I'm not the only one who does not agree with NGC.





UNC or AU, I'll let the picture tell you. The one above is listed here ebay, the one below is I found in another forum.

newsman

Those pics look like two different coins. Are they?

icollect

Yes, they are two different coins.

wybrit

It's definitely overgraded. I think there's too much wear to even merit AU. I would have called it EF.

newsman

Could a weak strike account for the grade?

sumnom

AU at best. Compare the dragon faces of the two coins.

lordmarcovan

I think newsman may be onto something. Strike could have something to do with it. I have a hard time believing NGC would give a 64 RB to a blatant slider.

As for myself, I would reserve judgment without seeing the coin in person. Which is why I hedged my bets in the earlier guess. Like ajaan (and JoesMaName), I would've said choice AU (maybe 55-58), if not MS. And I probably would've only guessed 62 RB at best if MS. But it's really tough to say from the picture.

icollect

I think if the grader saw the second coin before, the first one would never receive this grade. They just don't know enough about this type of coins when they grade it, and this is not the first time I saw this happen.

ajaan

I honestly think NGC is being overwhelmed with coins to grade. Now that PCGSs turnaround time is, what? 3 months?, I fear NGC is rushing through coins to achieve their 10 day turnaround. I know they are looking for more World coin graders and perhaps this will solve some of their overgrading, at times, problems.

We also have to remember that grading world coins for TPGs is a pain at times. There are so many different types that it is impossible to know everything about every coin. It is just the nature of the beast.

PuddlePirate

I would have called the first one AU not that it matters, the dragon is cool regardless.

coinkat

64 may be alittle optimistic, however, it is still a nice coin that appears to have quality surfaces and even though the strike is weak, an UNC grade to me is not unreasonable