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is this real?

GrakulakGrakulak Posts: 21
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I understand there have been a few reprint 51 Mantles floating around with dual wax stains on the back of the card...now is this card patterned after a distinct, authentic exemplar, or is it just a wily attempt to fool the oblivious?

Here's an auction with a graded Mantle...look at the wax stains...eeirily similar to the reprints popping up on ebay every often (and by that I mean, every few minutes). Is this card rea, or was the real PSA 3 Mantle removed to house this impostor?

Mantle PSA 3
A thousand years is only a second in the author's imagination.

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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,409 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Grak
    The holder does not look tampered with to me. But then again, I am visually challenged.
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  • phreakydancinphreakydancin Posts: 1,691 ✭✭
    No Paypal + private bidding + no history of selling vintage cards = obvious scam

    Avoid like the plague. image
  • GrakulakGrakulak Posts: 21
    I certainly wasn't thinking of bidding, I was just curious if these reprints can sometimes fool PSA. The holder doesn't look like it's been tampered with, so is this particular card that convincing, or is the seller just an expert at resealing?
    A thousand years is only a second in the author's imagination.
  • MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭


    << <i>No Paypal + private bidding + no history of selling vintage cards = obvious scam

    Avoid like the plague. image >>



    Add to that the ridiculous $25 shipping and his admission that he'll end the auction early if someone wants to buy ---- if it sounds like a dork, smells like a dork, looks like a dork....
    Mark (amerbbcards)


    "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    If it is real, he won't get a good price for the reasons mentioned here. I waited until I had 100+ feedback before I tried to sell a '51 Mantle, and I still took a hit on the final price due to the confidence factor. Shoulda waited or consigned it, at that stage. You really need tons of feedback to sell a card like this ... and NOT have private bidding.

    $25 insured shipping for a Mantle rookie isn't totally out of line if the hammer price is $2,500 or more ... but this one may not even top $1,000. On a card like this I'd just do registered mail for about $10 inc. insurance. You get signature confirmation included in that, and it offers the best tracking every step of the way. Regular insured mail just gets ridiculously expensive when you get into the high-dollar cards.
  • A761506A761506 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭
    grakulak - can the fake with the wax stains fool PSA? That answer is no. I've handled those fakes before and they are very obvious. One of two things happened here... either the PSA holder has been tampered with and the card switched (best probability), or the card is in some off-brand holder that looks like a PSA holder, and the flip covered up with a PSA flip lifted from a real one.
  • Steve1124Steve1124 Posts: 198 ✭
    Before i would even CONSIDER bidding on a card like this, i would get some kind of return privilege agreement from the seller, and whenever the card arrived, send it IMMEDIATELY to PSA for review, just to make DARN sure that the card had not been tampered with.
  • VarghaVargha Posts: 2,392 ✭✭
    Gotta agree with A761506 . . . having assembled a complete set of those cards in PSA 8+ and having seen hundreds of 51's in all grades, the first thing that I noticed was that the wax stains on the back are 100% consistent with that set. The card is real. That being said, does he actually have the card and will he actually deliver it? I wouldn't buy it outside of a PayPal or credit card transaction.




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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,409 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Gotta agree with A761506 . . . having assembled a complete set of those cards in PSA 8+ and having seen hundreds of 51's in all grades, the first thing that I noticed was that the wax stains on the back are 100% consistent with that set. The card is real. That being said, does he actually have the card and will he actually deliver it? I wouldn't buy it outside of a PayPal or credit card transaction.
    (typo) >>



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  • GrakulakGrakulak Posts: 21
    So it's the general consensus that the card is real...but that the seller is suspicious?

    A thousand years is only a second in the author's imagination.
  • VarghaVargha Posts: 2,392 ✭✭
    The card is real and the seller has raised two big red flags -- He is wiiling to end the auction early and not willint to take a secured payment.
  • elway65elway65 Posts: 157
    Personally, under no circumstance, would I blindly send a cashier's check or money order as a form of payment on this particular card (or any card of high value for that matter). Something smells fishy. I believe the card is authentic. But my gut says the winning bidder will have a 1 in 10 chance of actually having it delivered to him/her after sending payment to some post office box in burlington, idaho. Just my 0.02. image
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  • GrakulakGrakulak Posts: 21
    Yeah, I had the same feeling all along. I've heard of people cracking PSA holders and replacing real Mantles with those "2-stained" reprints. Just looking at that scan (however minicule it is), the card certainly looks better than a 3. Again, just my opinion.
    A thousand years is only a second in the author's imagination.
  • VarghaVargha Posts: 2,392 ✭✭
    The scan is too small to tell why or why not it is a PSA 3.
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