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softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Any one ever knock a grade or two off a card while inserting it into your Card Saver for submission? image

I just finished a 42 card submission and this thought kept me nervous image

ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

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  • Love of the GameLove of the Game Posts: 250 ✭✭
    Last month I had a relatively pristine 1953 Topps Smoky Burgess that I thought would come back with an 8. Putting it into the card saver, I dinged the bottom right corner and took a tiny chip out of the black. I looked at it in the card saver, and thought it might still get a 6, even with the chip. I decided to take it back out of the card saver to look at the damage more closely, and somehow bent the whole corner, bringing the card from an 8 to a 3 in two fluid motions.

    At the same time, in the same submission, I had a 1953 Gus Bell that had a piece of gum stuck to the face of the card. It was about the size of a pencil eraser, and it ruined a nice card that had sharp corners and edges, and good gloss, but slightly OC. I showed it to my wife and she used her fingernail to scratch off the gum. She got off all the gum but it had left a round, dark stain on the card. I submitted it anyway, and it came back with an 8OC.

    Win some, lose some.

    -Al
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    oy image

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • dontippetdontippet Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭✭
    A couple of months ago, I purchased a raw 1987 Fleer Bonds. It came in one of those rigid holders that you open from the bottom with a coin or knife. I didn't have a coin, so I used a red pen. I got it opened, and slid the card out. Once I got the card out I noticed that I now had a red streak on the bottom of my card. I learned my lesson that day.

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  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This has never happened to a high dollar card before, but I have dropped a few on the floor right on the corner!

    Shane

  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    I hate those Card Savers with a passion. You have to possess great dexterity in ALL of your fingers to hold the thing open while trying to slide a card in through the resistance without blunting the corners. It's possible once you get the hang of doing it just right. But even then I always feel like my fingers will slip and I'll damage the card when the CS suddenly snaps out of the pried-open position. It helps to first put the card in a mylar sleeve, at least the corners won't get dinged so easily.
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ya know, I should have put them in mylar sleeves before the card saver, crap, next time. I did not damage any but they do snap shut without warning! Look out!

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,409 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>1953 Topps Smoky Burgess >>


    Al
    That's a really bad news story! Sorry to hear that! That's why a lot of people put the card in a penny sleeve first. My story is with the top loaders which I had more trouble getting cards in and out. I put my nice sharp fingernail into a Frank Thomas Elite which at the time was worth about 250$ - well the card is now worth like 20$ and I believe I traded it away anyway. But, at the time, the feeling runs deep into your stomach!!!

    your friend
    Mike
    Mike
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,409 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Any one ever knock a grade or two off a card while inserting it into your Card Saver for submission? image

    I just finished a 42 card submission and this thought kept me nervous image >>


    Softparade
    Good luck on you submissions! Let us know how you make out. Are all 42 cards for the same set?

    your friend
    Mike
    Mike
  • BushwoodCountryclubBushwoodCountryclub Posts: 26
    Does everyone use the oversized card saver holders?
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭


    << <i>ya know, I should have put them in mylar sleeves before the card saver, crap, next time. I did not damage any but they do snap shut without warning! Look out! >>



    You aren't using penny sleeves first? image I know a few people think they are unnecessary, but I would never slide a card into a card saver without one. It helps to widen the sleeve with your fingers first (some people cut the corner with a scissors) to allow the card to slide into the sleeve without dinging a corner. (Man, we are anal-retentive dudes!)
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  • BumChexBumChex Posts: 22


    << <i>Last month I had a relatively pristine 1953 Topps Smoky Burgess that I thought would come back with an 8. Putting it into the card saver, I dinged the bottom right corner and took a tiny chip out of the black. I looked at it in the card saver, and thought it might still get a 6, even with the chip. I decided to take it back out of the card saver to look at the damage more closely, and somehow bent the whole corner, bringing the card from an 8 to a 3 in two fluid motions.

    At the same time, in the same submission, I had a 1953 Gus Bell that had a piece of gum stuck to the face of the card. It was about the size of a pencil eraser, and it ruined a nice card that had sharp corners and edges, and good gloss, but slightly OC. I showed it to my wife and she used her fingernail to scratch off the gum. She got off all the gum but it had left a round, dark stain on the card. I submitted it anyway, and it came back with an 8OC.

    Win some, lose some.

    -Al >>



    Those card savers are the worse. I can't quite get it in all the way. I use a penny sleeve and slide the card in, but it will only go in about 1/3 of the way. Then I put a finger in to try and slide the card down by pushing on the face of the card. Most of the time the card is still at the top edge of the saver. I keep thinking I am going to damage the card by putting a crease down the middle. There has to be a better way to get the cards in the savers or come up with a better solution cuz this stinks!
    Wacky-Base
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mike,

    whoops! Its 46 cards. The 42 are all 1978 Topps. The others are a 1986 Topps traded Barry Bonds, 1993 Topps Derek Jeter regular, 1987 Donruss Rafael Palmeiro, 1989 Score Randy Johnson.

    Thanks! Will let you know first image

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • BumChexBumChex Posts: 22


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    << <i>ya know, I should have put them in mylar sleeves before the card saver, crap, next time. I did not damage any but they do snap shut without warning! Look out! >>



    You aren't using penny sleeves first? image I know a few people think they are unnecessary, but I would never slide a card into a card saver without one. It helps to widen the sleeve with your fingers first (some people cut the corner with a scissors) to allow the card to slide into the sleeve without dinging a corner. (Man, we are anal-retentive dudes!) >>



    Why can't PSA just allow us to use toploaders? I don't get it. They come out easy enough. Why go through the hassle of the savers? I have heard they do this so they can cut them out of the saver easily, is this true?
    Wacky-Base
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Toploaders? No way, Jose. I doubt you'll find any serious collectors putting vintage cards in toploaders, though I do use them for the modern stuff I collect. I think it is much harder to remove a card from a toploader than a card saver, and PSA says the same thing in their submission instructions.
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  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    Are you guys talking about Card Saver II? That I can understand because those suckers are small. Never had any problems with Card Saver I (suggested for submission). My problem used to stem from penny sleeves. Trying to get the card in the soft sleeve sometimes knicked the corner chipping away a miniscule piece and it always seemed to be a colored border card or foil card. Now all my penny sleeves have a sliced off corner and it's smooth sailing into the Card Saver I. No problems anymore.

    Card Saver II sucks. I don't even know why they still make those.
  • Love of the GameLove of the Game Posts: 250 ✭✭
    Y'know, I know I should use penny sleeves first, but there's nowhere nearby me where I can buy the ones big enough for 1953s. And yes, I know I can buy them online. Just leave me alone. image

    I use the penny sleeves for standard-sized vintage cards, but I DO use toploaders for all my vintage cards. Yes, it's more difficult to get the card out of a toploader. But I don't plan on taking the card out of the toploader unless I'm sending it in for grading. I find the toploader to be the best way to store cards, IMO. I find that card savers are flexible and can cause the cards to bend, and binders are a recipie for disaster. So I put the toploaders in a shoebox, or a monster box (or whatever you call them).

    One thing I *haven't* done historically that I'm going to start doing, is scanning the cards prior to submitting them for grading. I sent in what I thought was a very nice T206 card - great color, decent corners, I thought it would get a 5, or a 4 at worst. It came back with a 2, and a nice little tear on the top of the card. I swear that the tear wasn't there when I sent it in, but of course I have no way to prove that. It was a common, and if I was going to send in an off-grade T206, I have plenty of HOFers that are creased (but not torn) that would have been more suitable.

    Sorry to hijack the thread. Back to self-mutilation.

    -Al
  • 1977topps1977topps Posts: 275 ✭
    I hate Card Savers!
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  • easttexascardsandgameseasttexascardsandgames Posts: 550
    WHat about when PSA or whoever removes them from the card savers to me it is more difficult to get them out than in, always afraid I am going to grab it too tightly and pinch and edge or something. Toploaders are a since to get cards out of(too easy actually), but sometimes a pain to get a card in without dinging it a little.
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  • helionauthelionaut Posts: 1,555 ✭✭
    I heard PSA cuts open the Card Savers (though I'm surprised there's never been an accident), and I suggest doing the same to put the cards in there. Like you snip the corner of a penny sleeve to ease the card in, you can also slit open an inch or so of the side of a Card Saver and go in sideways. This also loosens the tension to make it easier to slide it all the way in, but is still tight enough to keep it from sliding around.
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  • kobykoby Posts: 1,699 ✭✭
    Cardsavers are horrible. I don't know how anyone can prevent damage to corners for darker border cards.
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I heard PSA cuts open the Card Savers (though I'm surprised there's never been an accident), >>



    does this mean I won't get them back? image

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

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