For the collector who has everything...

FC57Coins

I bet he's already counting his money

dthigpen

He prefers PayPal on an $850,000 auction

dorkbar

And after you pay $850K, you have to add $10 for shipping

dthigpen

More than that, you have to pay more if shipping + insurance exceeds $10.

Jdurg

It really makes you wonder what people are thinking when they're posting these near $1,000,000 auctions on E-Bay. If I had a coin of that worth and was going to auction it off, I'd go through a regular auction house. Yeah you'll have a 'bigger market' on E-Bay, but how many people who frequently buy stuff on E-Bay would be willing/able to buy that coin?

dthigpen

Well, there is the fact that it's fake...

ziggy29

This looks like a seriously hijacked eBay ID.

21Walker

Looks very familiar......what die pair is that????????????????.........Rick

dthigpen

I just got a reply from the seller...



<< <i>I do not believe it's a fake. What makes you think it is? >>



Here's what I replied with...



<< <i>You know the history of the 1804 dollar and how many were struck and specifically, what types of strikes they were, right? You'll probably also realize that every known one that has survived has been accounted for. You seem to buy and sell a lot of coins on ebay, I'm rather shocked that you believe this is real; if you really do, why not pay the paultry fee to have PCGS or NGC authenticate and grade it and then sell it in a real auction venue where you'll have a multitude of millionares and billionares bidding on it?

If you really want me to highlight exactly why it is fake, please email me a couple high resolution clear photos of it or just scans will work and I'll redline it in photoshop for you.

Cheers,

Douglas Thigpen >>

nwcs

I'm surprised he didn't quote auction results. He might have been able to get more money out of it. Better yet, why isn't it slabbed? It'd do well in an ACG holder.

morgannut2

Looks like ole Don Kagin's buyer is trying to get around the seller's fees on his PROOF-58 again. Opps can't be the same coin, this ones a business strike! He must have cracked it out of the PCGS holder and got confused!

FC57Coins

I got a similar response from him - I think it's a kid.



<< <i>No I do not believe that. I'm sure it's real and you will have to prove to me that it isnt >>

dthigpen

Went ahead and reported the item as counterfeit to Ebay.

ksteelheader

The fellow has such a firm grip on the english language also!

FC57Coins

<< <i>The fellow has such a firm grip on the english language also! >>




Whew! Geez Ken - for a second there I thought the rest of the kittens in the world were history!

dthigpen

Also reported his fake Seated Liberty Dollar and Trade Dollar... Check out the wear on the trade dollar and then the lettering on liberty's banner

ss350camaro

I emailed him back and forth a few times and convinced him to close the auction and seek a professional opinion.

My good deed for the day

No applause necessary.................just send congratulatory coins

BAJJERFAN

Wuts the insertion fee for a $900,000 listing?

Bear

Now, now, you folks are being very mean about

this thing. I myself would have bid 2 dollars for the

coin. But the dealer would have to eat the postage.

wayneherndon

The only thing I see wrong with this listing is that the seller did not quote the PCGS price guide.

WH

oldcameoproofsguy

I'll have to pass on the forgery. I'll take the Childs example instead.

Gemini

I wonder if he actually thinks he put one over and cherry picked the pockets of the boys from Shanghai ....

Shamika

Can someone please offer this bozo $500 for the coin if it doesn't sell? If he accepts the offer, that's proof he knows it's a fake.

saintguru

I like the deytailed description of this example of the #1 rarity of all times...It's in pretty DARN GOOD shape.."

Nice!@!!

JadeRareCoin

Frank, thanks for posting this thread on the forum. As soon as we saw the auction that you linked, we put our best team of numismatic researchers on the job. After hours of exhaustive research and analysis, our team has concluded that this is probably not a genuine 1804 Dollar. It could very well be a fake. Please be careful if you are considering placing a bid at $850,000. If you do win the coin, I would recommend that you ask the seller to send it via something other than Priority Mail.

dthigpen

<< <i>I emailed him back and forth a few times and convinced him to close the auction and seek a professional opinion.

My good deed for the day

No applause necessary.................just send congratulatory coins



>>



He wrote me back after my response to his reply to my initial inquiry and told me that he'd close the auction as soon as he figured out how. Might have been a legitimate scammer, but at least he had the sense to back out.

FC57Coins

<< <i>Frank, thanks for posting this thread on the forum. As soon as we saw the auction that you linked, we put our best team of numismatic researchers on the job. After hours of exhaustive research and analysis, our team has concluded that this is probably not a genuine 1804 Dollar. It could very well be a fake. Please be careful if you are considering placing a bid at $850,000. If you do win the coin, I would recommend that you ask the seller to send it via something other than Priority Mail. >>




- I'd never bid over $500,000 on that coin!

JadeRareCoin

Douglas, you should counter offer on the coin. Tell him that $850,000 seems kinda steep. However, you would be willing to pay $25 on the condition that he must drill a hole in the coin at 12:00. SOLD!

dthigpen

<< <i>Douglas, you should counter offer on the coin. Tell him that $850,000 seems kinda steep. However, you would be willing to pay $25 on the condition that he must drill a hole in the coin at 12:00. SOLD! >>



THIS IS A GREAT IDEA! I'm going to do so. (I'd pay $25 for a 1804 counterfeit just to put a hole in it)