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What % Eliasberg gold coins are slabbed with Eliasberg pedigree?
RYK
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I am virtually obsessed with the notion of "making" an Eliasberg pedigreed gold coin, preferably a nice Dahlonega or New Orleans piece, but frankly, I would take about anything (that I could afford). Since the Eliasberg auction was held in the year 4 B.C. (1982--4 years Before Certification), obviously none of the gold coins were sold certified. Earlier this year, I helped Doug Winter attach the Parmalee-Woodin-Clapp-Clapp-Eliasberg pedigree to one of his inventory coins. Unfortunately for me, it was a coin that I could not readily afford. I will not rest until I can do it for myself. 
What percent of the Eliasberg gold coins are in pedigreed NGC and PCGS holder? I would WAG 5% or less.
What percent of the Eliasberg gold coins are in pedigreed NGC and PCGS holder? I would WAG 5% or less.
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That said, I still have no clue what % of the Eliasberg coins have the pedigree included on their grading labels.
I love the idea of owning a coin, the ownership of which can be traced back to the time of its production some 100+ or even 200+ years ago.
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<< <i>RYK-- for everyone's benefit (or at least mine), how did you go about documenting the pedigree? That's pretty interesting that you were able to do it for a gold coin expert. I would be interested in learning your technique. >>
First, buy tons of auctions catalogs. Literally. Your collection should weigh at least 2000 pounds
<< <i>The Eliasberg gold coins were (first) graded long enough ago, such that a good number of them have probably since been re-submitted and up-graded. And, many sellers do NOT want the pedigree on the grading label of a coin which has up-graded. >>
That's sad. I just got my first ex-Eliasberg coin (not gold) in September. It's an AU-58 which I really think would go at least 63 (if not 64) with the TPGs today. In fact, I think the main reason this coin went AU-58 is because Bowers and Merena conservatively described it as AU-58 in the 1996 auction (and it's in an older green label PCGS holder so I think it was submitted shortly after the sale). Had this been submitted without the Eliasberg pedigree, I think it gets a mint state grade -- even in 1996, and even more so today with market grading even more prevalent.
But there's no way I'm cracking this sucker out. It's an ex-Eliasberg PCGS AU-58 until the day I die. Beyond that, sadly, it's beyond my control.
<< <i>Unfortunately for me, it was a coin that I could not readily afford. >>
Can't afford it? Given the Dahlonega gold you own, Robert, I'm gasping for air if you can't afford it.
As a buyer, it certainly would not bother me. We all know that grading standards have changed, and some have suggested that many Eliasberg coins were undergraded (for the time) by B&M.
how did you go about documenting the pedigree?
I wish I could say that I did extensive research or that I have a photographic memory, but it was pure luck. Around the time Pinnacle posted a very rare (about four known) proof gold coin, I received the Eliasberg catalog in the mail. Knowing the coin was so rare and the collection had one, by a distinctive toning mark on the reverse, I was able to ID the coin.
Given the Dahlonega gold you own, Robert, I'm gasping for air if you can't afford it.
Proof gold--only four known--price tag close to $30,000--need I say more? That said, the coin was in the inventory for several months. I put together several trade-purchase proposals (all were acceptable), including one this week!, but alas, the coin is sold to another collector. I am relieved that I will no longer be tempted by it.
What are you saying? Do you have my baby?
Today, I compared the recently graded 70-CC $5 VF-35 in my sig line with the picture of the Eliasberg 70-CC $5 VF-30. My how grading standards have changed. If the picture is accurate, the Eliasberg coin might grade AU-50 today. Given that we all recognize that grading standards have changed so much, I do not think buyers like myself would be so concerned.
That is an interesting question. If you want to keep track, I know of one. A partner and I sold the 1859 PCGS Proof 65 3$ Eliasberg coin. There's one for you!!
Of course, I dont know if it is in a holder anymore...
I think that if you look hard enough and can be patient you will certainly find a specimen that you can make.
J
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A partner?? Don't tell me you teamed up with the snake, too?
I just found out about a coin that is currently in a PCGS-63 holder that was graded AU-55 at the Eliasberg sale in '82. I must admit, though the coin is really superb, the "upgrade" sure does take the wind out of my sails a bit more than I would have thought.
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No slabbing here!
Buying an Eliasberg gold coin can put a hole in your budget, errr coin!
Wouldn't this look grand on my pal's )(lordmarcovan) vest?
Constantine IX (A.D. 1042-1055). AV Histamenon Nomisma. Constantinople.
4.41 grams, 25.60 mm. Obv Seated figure of Christ, facing, nimbus cruciger behind, holding the Book of Gospels, r. hand raised in benediction. Rev Facing crowned bust of Constantine IX, wearing loros, holding labarum and globus cruciger. Shifted strike, holed and plugged near edge, otherwise EF. ($40-60 Estimate) Sold for $230 including the buyer's 15% fee.