CWT guys........I need a little help identifying a Fuld number.

ss350camaro

I received a CWT today and thought i had it identified.

(Pic #'s 2 and 3 in my sig line.)

My question is: "What are the differences between die #'s 163, 164, & 165"?

The Fuld book i have (Patriotic CWT's) was published in 1960 and the pics aren't that great.

I had identified it as 163/352 C, but i'm not totally convinced it's 163. Is there a better book with bigger, more detailed pics ?

Thanks,

P.S. Are there any good online references for these tokens? With good pictures ?

Gemini

Doug you can get the newer Fuld book from the Civil War Token Society which have larger photos and a "Die-A-Gram" section in the rear of the book for identifying the dies that appear very similar and hard to identify by photo only.

Below is a Die-A-Gram sample from the book for dies 163 thru 166. They use line graphs as well as photos to walk you through each die...

Incuse union on shield? if yes you have die 164 (if not go to next)

stars above eagle? if yes you have die 166 (if not go to next)

if no stars above eagle and strike is bold and even you have die 163

if strike is weak and uneven die is 165

This Die-A-Gram feature makes it easy and a snap in identifying the many tokens that appear similar in this series and I highly recommend this book.

Don-

ss350camaro

Thanks Don

EagleEye

ss350camaro

Thanks for the great pics Rick ! From those it looks like mine is a 163.
"UNION" is not incuse.

According to Fuld the designation for Copper and Brass would be C or BR.
I see A in your descriptor. I'm assuming it's the same ? (A for Copper, B for Brass)

example: F-163/352A

EagleEye

Yes the current lettering system is:

A=Copper
B=Brass
C=Nickel
D=Copper-Nickel (incuding CN cent overstrikes)
E=White Metal
G=Gilt
MP=Tin Plate

The Fuld Obv/Rev die numbering system is very confusing, but is necessary due to the different die pairings/errors/metals. We are developing a Partiotic numbering system which will list aboiut 600 die pairs. This will help show which die pairs are needed for a complete set. Add the errors, different metals and you get the current system, which is acceptable for a foundation of the series.

ormandh

I have that same one. What is it worth? -Dan

EagleEye

A true numismatist would ask:

"Who made it?"